X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:09:17 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [66.64.141.200] (HELO lucky.dts.local) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3740861 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:53:34 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.64.141.200; envelope-from=cjensen@dts9000.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C9F9E6.BE3D4310" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Diplomacy and Tact Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 X-Original-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:56:18 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <8984A39879F2F5418251CBEEC9C689B3E86EDD@lucky.dts.local> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: Diplomacy and Tact Thread-Index: Acn52Jh+93Ds1EtSTB6U0nCo7eR1ZAADdsRA From: "Chuck Jensen" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9F9E6.BE3D4310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whenever we see someone get their back up and advise you that they are = just exercising their rights.....that usually means they are in the = wrong. =20 Chuck Jensen=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of = John Cox Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:11 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Diplomacy and Tact Rob, your post reminded me of the ability to be more tactful (and my = further need to work on it). The financial cost to the remaining family = members and the flying community must then be a necessary cost of our = beloved activity. As a Tech Counselor, it is obvious how often and = solidly entrenched the right of Experimenter are. =20 After a near fatality to one friend in a group of many, one of them = piped up with a quote that I occasionally use. "The Tree of Life is = Self Pruning". How unfortunate that phrase remains in our jargon. We = need to instill a passion for improvement, a tolerance of another's = objective observation and a willingness to take more of the financial = responsibility off of all the survivors who pay future premiums beyond = our passing. =20 John Cox - regularly speaking to the choir and those standing at the = brick wall without a clue as to our post =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = rwolf99@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 5:14 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Diplomacy and Tact =20 As I grow older, I realize that I can say what needs to be said without = insulting people. And yes, I can be more blunt with my friends. = However, a couple of years ago I was being shown a Legendary Mustang kit = at the local airport, which is surprisingly similar in construction = technique to our Lancairs. Some construction aspects were done very = well and some were not. The bad ones that I remember all involved the = wing fuel tanks. The fuel tank sealer was poorly applied without good = coverage -- there was exposed fiberglass in many places. But worse were = the holes in the ribs that were not closed out with micro. THERE WOULD = BE HONEYCOMB DIRECTLY EXPOSED TO FUEL. I told the builder that he = needed to close out the holes so as not to allow fuel to contact the = honeycomb and gradually soak thru the entire wing skin. His response = was appalling -- he had taken the hole that he cut out and stuck it in a = jar of avgas to see if it would break down over time. It looked okay = after six months, so he was unconcerned. I told him three times that he needed to close out the holes that were = to be exposed to fuel. I was polite about it. I told him how I o make = sure to get good coverage with the fuel tank sealer. Did he listen? = No. However, I stopped short of calling him a f**king idiot with a = death wish because it would not have made a bit of difference. If he = ever finishes his plane, he WILL be an accident statistic. Guaranteed. What would you have me do? Talk to the brick wall a little longer? = Call the "homebuilt airplane police"? I said what needed to be said, = three times, and was rebuffed every time. No, I walked away and told = myself that Darwin still works, but in this case it will take a little = longer. =20 - Rob Wolf =20 _____ =20 Save energy, paper and money -- = = get the Green Toolbar.=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9F9E6.BE3D4310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Whenever we see someone get their back up and advise you = that they=20 are just exercising their rights.....that usually means they are in the=20 wrong.
 
Chuck = Jensen=20

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Lancair = Mailing List=20 [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of John = Cox
Sent:=20 Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:11 PM
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Diplomacy and=20 Tact

Rob,=20 your post reminded me of the ability to be more tactful (and my = further need=20 to work on it).  The financial cost to the remaining family = members and=20 the flying community must then be a necessary cost of our beloved=20 activity.  As a Tech Counselor, it is obvious how often and = solidly=20 entrenched the right of Experimenter are.

 

After=20 a near fatality to one friend in a group of many, one of them piped up = with a=20 quote that I occasionally use.  "The Tree of Life is Self = Pruning". =20 How unfortunate that phrase remains in our jargon.  We need to = instill a=20 passion for improvement, a tolerance of another's objective = observation and a=20 willingness to take more of the financial responsibility off of all = the=20 survivors who pay future premiums beyond our = passing.

 

John=20 Cox - regularly speaking to the choir and those standing at the brick = wall=20 without a clue as to our post

 

From: Lancair = Mailing=20 List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 rwolf99@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 5:14=20 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] = Diplomacy and=20 Tact

 

As I grow older, I = realize that=20 I can say what needs to be said without insulting people.  And = yes, I can=20 be more blunt with my friends.  However, a couple of years ago I = was=20 being shown a Legendary Mustang kit at the local airport, which is=20 surprisingly similar in construction technique to our Lancairs.  = Some=20 construction aspects were done very well and some were not.  The = bad ones=20 that I remember all involved the wing fuel tanks.  The fuel tank = sealer=20 was poorly applied without good coverage -- there was exposed = fiberglass in=20 many places.  But worse were the holes in the ribs that were not = closed=20 out with micro.  THERE WOULD BE HONEYCOMB DIRECTLY EXPOSED TO = FUEL. =20 I told the builder that he needed to close out the holes so as not to = allow=20 fuel to contact the honeycomb and gradually soak thru the entire wing=20 skin.  His response was appalling -- he had taken the hole that = he cut=20 out and stuck it in a jar of avgas to see if it would break down over=20 time.  It looked okay after six months, so he was = unconcerned.

I=20 told him three times that he needed to close out the holes that were = to be=20 exposed to fuel.  I was polite about it.  I told him = how I o=20 make sure to get good coverage with the fuel tank sealer.  Did he = listen?  No.  However, I stopped short of calling him a = f**king=20 idiot with a death wish because it would not have made a bit of = difference.=20  If he ever finishes his plane, he WILL be an accident = statistic. =20 Guaranteed.

What would you have me do?  Talk to the brick = wall a=20 little longer?  Call the "homebuilt airplane police"?  I = said what=20 needed to be said, three times, and was rebuffed every time.  No, = I=20 walked away and told myself that Darwin still works, but in this case = it will=20 take a little longer. 

- Rob Wolf

 

Save=20 energy, paper and money -- get the Green = Toolbar.=20

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