X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:11:27 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from MIS005-3.exch005intermedia.net ([64.78.17.178] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3740249 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:34:24 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.78.17.178; envelope-from=johnwcox@pacificnw.com Received: from EXVBE005-2.exch005intermedia.net ([10.254.1.74]) by MIS005-3.exch005intermedia.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:33:49 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C9F9A8.E5B671D7" Subject: RE: [LML] Diplomacy and Tact X-Original-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:33:36 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <683D1C47989E0E42AB0422DC615861EFD6CA07@EXVBE005-2.exch005intermedia.net> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LML] Diplomacy and Tact Thread-Index: Acn5fEbJkOdtAGa+SvS1MTMmJsT1DQAK9lRg References: From: "John Cox" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Original-Return-Path: johnwcox@pacificnw.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2009 17:33:49.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDEDDAE0:01C9F9A8] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9F9A8.E5B671D7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rob, your post reminded me of the ability to be more tactful (and my further need to work on it). The financial cost to the remaining family members and the flying community must then be a necessary cost of our beloved activity. As a Tech Counselor, it is obvious how often and solidly entrenched the right of Experimenter are. =20 After a near fatality to one friend in a group of many, one of them piped up with a quote that I occasionally use. "The Tree of Life is Self Pruning". How unfortunate that phrase remains in our jargon. We need to instill a passion for improvement, a tolerance of another's objective observation and a willingness to take more of the financial responsibility off of all the survivors who pay future premiums beyond our passing. =20 John Cox - regularly speaking to the choir and those standing at the brick wall without a clue as to our post =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of rwolf99@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 5:14 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Diplomacy and Tact =20 As I grow older, I realize that I can say what needs to be said without insulting people. And yes, I can be more blunt with my friends. However, a couple of years ago I was being shown a Legendary Mustang kit at the local airport, which is surprisingly similar in construction technique to our Lancairs. Some construction aspects were done very well and some were not. The bad ones that I remember all involved the wing fuel tanks. The fuel tank sealer was poorly applied without good coverage -- there was exposed fiberglass in many places. But worse were the holes in the ribs that were not closed out with micro. THERE WOULD BE HONEYCOMB DIRECTLY EXPOSED TO FUEL. I told the builder that he needed to close out the holes so as not to allow fuel to contact the honeycomb and gradually soak thru the entire wing skin. His response was appalling -- he had taken the hole that he cut out and stuck it in a jar of avgas to see if it would break down over time. It looked okay after six months, so he was unconcerned. I told him three times that he needed to close out the holes that were to be exposed to fuel. I was polite about it. I told him how I o make sure to get good coverage with the fuel tank sealer. Did he listen? No. However, I stopped short of calling him a f**king idiot with a death wish because it would not have made a bit of difference. If he ever finishes his plane, he WILL be an accident statistic. Guaranteed. What would you have me do? Talk to the brick wall a little longer? Call the "homebuilt airplane police"? I said what needed to be said, three times, and was rebuffed every time. No, I walked away and told myself that Darwin still works, but in this case it will take a little longer. =20 - Rob Wolf =20 ________________________________ Save energy, paper and money -- get the Green Toolbar = .=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9F9A8.E5B671D7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Rob, your post reminded me of the ability to be more = tactful (and my further need to work on it).  The financial cost to the = remaining family members and the flying community must then be a necessary cost of = our beloved activity.  As a Tech Counselor, it is obvious how often and solidly entrenched the right of Experimenter are.

 

After a near fatality to one friend in a group of many, = one of them piped up with a quote that I occasionally use.  "The Tree = of Life is Self Pruning".  How unfortunate that phrase remains in = our jargon.  We need to instill a passion for improvement, a tolerance = of another's objective observation and a willingness to take more of the = financial responsibility off of all the survivors who pay future premiums beyond = our passing.

 

John Cox - regularly speaking to the choir and those = standing at the brick wall without a clue as to our post

 

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of rwolf99@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 5:14 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Diplomacy and Tact

 

As I grow older, I = realize that I can say what needs to be said without insulting people.  And yes, I = can be more blunt with my friends.  However, a couple of years ago I was = being shown a Legendary Mustang kit at the local airport, which is = surprisingly similar in construction technique to our Lancairs.  Some construction = aspects were done very well and some were not.  The bad ones that I remember all involved the wing fuel tanks.  The fuel tank sealer was poorly = applied without good coverage -- there was exposed fiberglass in many = places.  But worse were the holes in the ribs that were not closed out with = micro.  THERE WOULD BE HONEYCOMB DIRECTLY EXPOSED TO FUEL.  I told the = builder that he needed to close out the holes so as not to allow fuel to contact = the honeycomb and gradually soak thru the entire wing skin.  His = response was appalling -- he had taken the hole that he cut out and stuck it in a jar = of avgas to see if it would break down over time.  It looked okay = after six months, so he was unconcerned.

I told him three times that he needed to close out the holes that were = to be exposed to fuel.  I was polite about it.  I told him how = I o make sure to get good coverage with the fuel tank sealer.  Did he listen?  No.  However, I stopped short of calling him a = f**king idiot with a death wish because it would not have made a bit of difference. =  If he ever finishes his plane, he WILL be an accident statistic.  = Guaranteed.

What would you have me do?  Talk to the brick wall a little = longer?  Call the "homebuilt airplane police"?  I said what needed = to be said, three times, and was rebuffed every time.  No, I walked away = and told myself that Darwin still works, but in this case it will take a = little longer. 

- Rob Wolf

 

Save energy, paper and = money -- get the Green Toolbar. =

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