X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:23:44 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [66.64.141.200] (HELO lucky.dts.local) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3740016 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:20:29 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.64.141.200; envelope-from=cjensen@dts9000.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C9F996.ACD5D3F8" Subject: RE: [LML] Diplomacy and Tact Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 X-Original-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:23:09 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <8984A39879F2F5418251CBEEC9C689B3E86ED3@lucky.dts.local> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LML] Diplomacy and Tact Thread-Index: Acn5fLUqSWuvngd3TbmFMYq5xcq+EQAGSdgQ From: "Chuck Jensen" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9F996.ACD5D3F8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did you inquire if he was using a Technical Advisor or other resource? = Aand then go around, by way of the back door, to gain entry that way? =20 =20 I'm not saying you didn't do due diligence in this instance, but if we = have a high degree of certainty that a person's life might be on the = line; or even worse, an unsuspecting buyer may later purchase this = accident-waiting-to-happen, then 3 attempts to warn someone of a = foreseeable, very serious problem does not sound like overkill (pun = intended). =20 =20 I've been stupid, and sometimes I've been stupid 3 times in a row, but I = would hope that anyone that saw I was making such a serious mistake, = would not simply walk away, satisified that they'd 'done their duty'. Chuck Jensen=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of = rwolf99@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:14 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Diplomacy and Tact As I grow older, I realize that I can say what needs to be said without = insulting people. And yes, I can be more blunt with my friends. = However, a couple of years ago I was being shown a Legendary Mustang kit = at the local airport, which is surprisingly similar in construction = technique to our Lancairs. Some construction aspects were done very = well and some were not. The bad ones that I remember all involved the = wing fuel tanks. The fuel tank sealer was poorly applied without good = coverage -- there was exposed fiberglass in many places. But worse were = the holes in the ribs that were not closed out with micro. THERE WOULD = BE HONEYCOMB DIRECTLY EXPOSED TO FUEL. I told the builder that he = needed to close out the holes so as not to allow fuel to contact the = honeycomb and gradually soak thru the entire wing skin. His response = was appalling -- he had taken the hole that he cut out and stuck it in a = jar of avgas to see if it would break down over time. It looked okay = after six months, so he was unconcerned. I told him three times that he needed to close out the holes that were = to be exposed to fuel. I was polite about it. I told him how I o make = sure to get good coverage with the fuel tank sealer. Did he listen? = No. However, I stopped short of calling him a f**king idiot with a = death wish because it would not have made a bit of difference. If he = ever finishes his plane, he WILL be an accident statistic. Guaranteed. What would you have me do? Talk to the brick wall a little longer? = Call the "homebuilt airplane police"? I said what needed to be said, = three times, and was rebuffed every time. No, I walked away and told = myself that Darwin still works, but in this case it will take a little = longer. =20 - Rob Wolf _____ =20 Save energy, paper and money -- = = get the Green Toolbar.=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9F996.ACD5D3F8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Did=20 you inquire if he was using a Technical Advisor or other resource?  = Aand=20 then go around, by way of the back door, to gain entry that way? =20
 
I'm=20 not saying you didn't do due diligence in this instance, but if we = have a=20 high degree of certainty that a person's life might be on the line; or = even=20 worse, an unsuspecting buyer may later purchase this = accident-waiting-to-happen,=20 then 3 attempts to warn someone of a foreseeable, very serious problem = does not=20 sound like overkill (pun intended). 
 
I've=20 been stupid, and sometimes I've been stupid 3 times in a row, but I = would hope=20 that anyone that saw I was making such a serious mistake, = would not=20 simply walk away, satisified that they'd 'done their = duty'.

Chuck Jensen =

 

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From: Lancair = Mailing List=20 [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of=20 rwolf99@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:14=20 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] = Diplomacy and=20 Tact

As I grow older, I realize that I can say what needs to be said = without=20 insulting people.  And yes, I can be more blunt with my = friends. =20 However, a couple of years ago I was being shown a Legendary Mustang = kit at=20 the local airport, which is surprisingly similar in construction = technique to=20 our Lancairs.  Some construction aspects were done very well and = some=20 were not.  The bad ones that I remember all involved the wing = fuel=20 tanks.  The fuel tank sealer was poorly applied without good = coverage --=20 there was exposed fiberglass in many places.  But worse were the = holes in=20 the ribs that were not closed out with micro.  THERE WOULD BE = HONEYCOMB=20 DIRECTLY EXPOSED TO FUEL.  I told the builder that he needed to = close out=20 the holes so as not to allow fuel to contact the honeycomb and = gradually soak=20 thru the entire wing skin.  His response was appalling -- he had = taken=20 the hole that he cut out and stuck it in a jar of avgas to see if it = would=20 break down over time.  It looked okay after six months, so he was = unconcerned.

I told him three times that he needed to close out = the=20 holes that were to be exposed to fuel.  I was polite about = it.=20  I told him how I o make sure to get good coverage with the fuel = tank=20 sealer.  Did he listen?  No.  However, I stopped short = of=20 calling him a f**king idiot with a death wish because it would not = have made a=20 bit of difference.  If he ever finishes his plane, he WILL be an = accident=20 statistic.  Guaranteed.

What would you have me do?  = Talk to=20 the brick wall a little longer?  Call the "homebuilt airplane=20 police"?  I said what needed to be said, three times, and was = rebuffed=20 every time.  No, I walked away and told myself that Darwin still = works,=20 but in this case it will take a little longer. 

- Rob = Wolf
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