X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:20:58 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.85.72] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with SMTP id 3734852 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:18:36 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.191.85.72; envelope-from=chris_zavatson@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 45947 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jun 2009 21:18:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JMjhqytSyh4K0OYZBmQ9uvhtOaAvSxXuk+s/m7Dll87+YUAn+9euYiJzs5DDAPRETK4LEVqy5A+gIUuGO7IJbO9x/uC9lFpobDXzzWHXAQJef+3FvX2U/TfuvtrNQg1Vly+K9K3NqMeFM+dPOi0txdjotB9HsO52XC0KcvQmyaw=; X-Original-Message-ID: <469399.44968.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: uaoZUnMVM1kJwqLBaf4yh1gZVpnq.qNInQ1ms5DJSkBNjLVye035dxklHwU4h3xRzfeHnrEjIkk1_1bQacCfY4tokntaADbC60j87YxwbQHmmJhr4IN3DEicRYVC6bsq8Sk11rxFX5wuPqyTUg7rkVdwajjMeW7UNR51F4Zw0aam_s6nPzCNDtIsIrH4E5hJ6WruwyRg1..mzmjJhJhwk_B4cKyhgnvPsIzTioIHI392dA.DZxSxpvWND4mmJDDFQiCh9G6dFuzPsBfubRArMb8UHMYihFpG_5pmjQcAuw0AMekgQ4884caWa6oQAFqhC_n8trc- Received: from [99.154.149.93] by web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:18:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1357.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: X-Original-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:18:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Zavatson Subject: Re: [LML] RV10 Accident Report X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-558398169-1246137482=:44968" --0-558398169-1246137482=:44968 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Truly unbelievable.=C2=A0 A string of bad judgement that defies comprehensi= on.=0A=0AThis comment caught my attention:=C2=A0 "By all accounts, Dan was = regarded as a a pretty sound person"=0AThe following was=C2=A0also taken fr= om the RV list=C2=A0and is quite germain:=0A=0ANice Guys Die Too....=0A"Thi= s will sound a bit harsh, but sometimes, we just have to talk straight. Avi= ation has been a part of my life since I was a kid, and I have lost friends= due to mistakes made by them, and the mistakes of others. I have seen a lo= t of accidents, read about a lot of accidents, and investigated accidents. = In general, we know what causes them, and usually, it is not the fault of t= he machine, but rather, the soft, squishy thing in the pilot=E2=80=99s seat= . That=E2=80=99s the hard truth.=0A=0AAfter every accident, we read reports= from friends that tell us how great a person the pilot was. They were wond= erful friends, caring parents, generous with their time, knowledgeable in t= heir work. They were always willing to help others, built carefully, asked = questions =E2=80=93 or answered the many questions of others. They were gre= at at fly-ins, or in the evening at the hangar =E2=80=93 laughed a lot, wer= e great promoters of aviation. In short =E2=80=93 they were great, nice peo= ple. They are frequently put out there as "role models", people to be emula= ted, pilots to be admired=E2=80=A6=0A=0AAnd still, they died. And their fri= ends =E2=80=9Ccan=E2=80=99t understand how it happened=E2=80=A6.=E2=80=9D= =0A=0AWell, it=E2=80=99s usually pretty simple. Good guys ( nice guys, wond= erful guys...) are not immune from doing something dumb! They made a mistak= e =E2=80=93 or more usually, a string of mistakes. They screwed up. Sometim= es, it=E2=80=99s a single, tragic lapse of attention or error. More often, = =E2=80=9Cwe all knew=E2=80=9D it was coming. There is a whole list of chara= cter traits that are indicative of a person going down a path that can lead= to an accident =E2=80=93 the list isn=E2=80=99t secret; you can find it in= magazine articles, safety classes, and most pilot training programs. Yet s= till =E2=80=93 we see people all the time who we KNOW are going to go and d= o something stupid someday with an airplane. And we let them go. And when t= hey die, we talk about what nice guys they were. Yeah, they were nice =E2= =80=93 but they were also WRONG - and now they are DEAD! We need to stop de= ifying those who are not good examples, period.=0A=0AI try to be a nice guy= . In fact, if I am remembered for nothing else when I am gone, I would like= people to remember me as a nice guy. But maybe sometimes, we have to be a = little less =E2=80=9Cnice=E2=80=9D. Maybe we need to challenge one another,= and when we see someone doing something dumb, we need to tell them so. We = don=E2=80=99t have to be jerks about it. =E2=80=9CHey Bill, you might alrea= dy be aware of this, and I don=E2=80=99t want to sound like a know-it-all, = but that fuel line looks awful short to me =E2=80=93 when the engine moves,= it could pull that end right off!=E2=80=9D =0A=0AAviation is dangerous, bu= t no more dangerous than any other activity that accelerates a human being = to speeds where they will be mush if they come to a sudden stop. What is mo= re dangerous is bad judgment, and that is shameful. But what is more shamef= ul is when we let bad judgment pass unchecked, and later talk about =E2=80= =9Cwhat a nice guy he was=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6."=0APaul F. Dye=0A=0A=0A --0-558398169-1246137482=:44968 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Truly unbelievable.  A string of bad judgement that defies c= omprehension.
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This comment caught my atten= tion:  "By all accounts, Dan was regarded as a a pretty sound person"<= /DIV>=0A
The following was also taken from the RV list and is= quite germain:
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Nice Guys Die Too.= ...
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"This will sound a bit harsh, but sometimes, we j= ust have to talk straight. Aviation has been a part of my life since I was = a kid, and I have lost friends due to mistakes made by them, and the mistak= es of others. I have seen a lot of accidents, read about a lot of accidents= , and investigated accidents. In general, we know what causes them, and usu= ally, it is not the fault of the machine, but rather, the soft, squishy thi= ng in the pilot=E2=80=99s seat. That=E2=80=99s the hard truth.

After= every accident, we read reports from friends that tell us how great a pers= on the pilot was. They were wonderful friends, caring parents, generous wit= h their time, knowledgeable in their work. They were always willing to help= others, built carefully, asked questions =E2=80=93 or answered the many qu= estions of others. They were great at fly-ins, or in the evening at the han= gar =E2=80=93 laughed a lot, were great promoters of aviation. In short =E2= =80=93 they were great, nice people. They are frequently put out there as "role models", people to be emulated, pilo= ts to be admired=E2=80=A6

And still, they died. And their friends = =E2=80=9Ccan=E2=80=99t understand how it happened=E2=80=A6.=E2=80=9D
Well, it=E2=80=99s usually pretty simple. Good guys ( nice guys, wonderful= guys...) are not immune from doing something dumb! They made a mistake =E2= =80=93 or more usually, a string of mistakes. They screwed up. Sometimes, i= t=E2=80=99s a single, tragic lapse of attention or error. More often, =E2= =80=9Cwe all knew=E2=80=9D it was coming. There is a whole list of characte= r traits that are indicative of a person going down a path that can lead to= an accident =E2=80=93 the list isn=E2=80=99t secret; you can find it in ma= gazine articles, safety classes, and most pilot training programs. Yet stil= l =E2=80=93 we see people all the time who we KNOW are going to go and do s= omething stupid someday with an airplane. And we let them go. And when they= die, we talk about what nice guys they were. Yeah, they were nice =E2=80= =93 but they were also WRONG - and now they are DEAD! We need to stop deifying tho= se who are not good examples, period.

I try to be a nice guy. In fac= t, if I am remembered for nothing else when I am gone, I would like people = to remember me as a nice guy. But maybe sometimes, we have to be a little l= ess =E2=80=9Cnice=E2=80=9D. Maybe we need to challenge one another, and whe= n we see someone doing something dumb, we need to tell them so. We don=E2= =80=99t have to be jerks about it. =E2=80=9CHey Bill, you might already be = aware of this, and I don=E2=80=99t want to sound like a know-it-all, but th= at fuel line looks awful short to me =E2=80=93 when the engine moves, it co= uld pull that end right off!=E2=80=9D

Aviation is dangerous, but no= more dangerous than any other activity that accelerates a human being to s= peeds where they will be mush if they come to a sudden stop. What is more d= angerous is bad judgment, and that is shameful. But what is more shameful i= s when we let bad judgment pass unchecked, and later talk about =E2=80=9Cwhat a nice guy he was=E2=80=9D= =E2=80=A6."
Paul F. Dye

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