Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #51569
From: Greg Ward <gregw@onestopdesign.biz>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Gear Relays are not working
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 01:11:25 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
I'd like to see a copy of that also.
Greg Ward
Lancair 20B N178RG in progress
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Gear Relays are not working

My gear system was wired using the Legacy Wiring diagram.  By resistance I meant 0 ohms. The intermittant relays that were in the plane originally were the ones that lancair sells on their website.
Now I have some continuous duty relays in their place. 

So my next question is:  If the Lancair wiring diagrams are wrong and it seems that some of you out there have figured out a right way to do it, why haven't you sent it to Lancair for them to update their manuals or at least load it up on LML so all of us can get our aircraft wired properly?
Maybe you can email me a copy?
thanks
Bryan

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 12:57 PM, <vonjet@gmail.com> wrote:
No squat switch. I built the plane and I did not put a squat switch in. On the good note I spent all day yesterday retracting and free falling the gear and it all works perfectly.
Bryan

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From: Sky2high@aol.com
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:44:32 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [LML] Re: Gear Relays are not working

Bryan,
 
While the plane is on jacks, one test would be to open the dump valve (relieve all pressure) and see if the pump runs in the gear down direction, but not in the up.  This would suggest that there is some sort of "squat" switch.  If so, the most frequently used one relies on pitot-static pressure so the gear cannot be retracted until 70 KIAS is exceeded.  Some simply bypass the switch with a jumper when doing the gear checks while others may have installed a bypass switch, sometimes hidden behind the panel. 
 
Scott Krueger
 
In a message dated 5/21/2009 5:24:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, vonjet@gmail.com writes:
My lancair 360 was wired professionally. When we tried to do the gear retraction tests.....nothing. We checked all the wires and made sure all were getting power where they should. Checked the breakers, switch etc. 
We overran the relay and the motor ran so we figured it was a bad relay......went to Napa and bought 2 new relays today. Installed them. Same thing....nothing.  Then we remembered that the relays were mounted to a fiberglass bulkhead and the case needed to be grounded so we attached a ground from the relay mounting base to ground bar. 
Tried the gear.....now it worked...BUT it instantly  fried the ground wire on the relay small terimal......tried to measure the ohms of the relays and no resistance....how could it be that I have 4 dead relays all brand new?
So today I installed a Master Relay.  The ones that are all metal case. Now the gear works and no wires are getting fried........but Im not happy with this result as it makes no sense why the normal relays for this job aren't working....anybody have any ideas?

Bryan

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