X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 20:59:09 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.80] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3631569 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 04 May 2009 13:05:25 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.62.80; envelope-from=mjrav@comcast.net Received: from OMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nMtf1b0031GhbT858V4ZHV; Mon, 04 May 2009 17:04:33 +0000 Received: from mjr ([71.233.26.172]) by OMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nV4e1b00F3ino073TV4gz0; Mon, 04 May 2009 17:04:41 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <001401c9ccda$736dead0$ac1ae947@mjr> From: "Mark Ravinski" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] gross weight for LNC2 X-Original-Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 13:04:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C9CCB8.EC3784C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C9CCB8.EC3784C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Keith, Off list here. What you're asking is a little like "do you cheat on = your taxes"? I've loaded my small tail 360 up with camping gear and luggage for two, = full fuel and 300 or so lbs of people. Basically packed to the roof. Power and performance are not the = limiting factors. CG is. Pack heavy items furthest forward, etc. Expect the plane to be very pitch sensitive on takeoff. I mean PIO = sensitive where when you try to correct the oscillations it only gets = worse. The first time it happened to me was one of those weak in the = knees moments. It can be minimized by accelerating to a higher speed on the runway and = then leaving flaps down until later than usual when more speed is up. And, as with many aeronautical situations, start off pushing the = envelope a little at a time like a good test pilot. Fly safe, Mark Ravinski 360 1463 hrs ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Keith Smith=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 8:55 AM Subject: [LML] gross weight for LNC2 Speaking with a few owners, most of them have operated in the = 1800-1900lb range, at least out of airports where runway length was not = a factor. =20 If I understand correctly, the published figure is 1685lbs. I'm = curious how that number was derived, and what I should be on the lookout = for when exceeding that weight. I know that when I took my first demo ride 2 weeks ago, we were around = 1750lbs, and climbing out at 1500fpm on what was pretty close to a = standard day. What maximum figure would you use for a 360? ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C9CCB8.EC3784C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Keith,
Off list here.  What you're asking = is a little=20 like "do you cheat on your taxes"?
 
I've loaded my small tail 360 = up with=20 camping gear and luggage for two, full fuel and 300 or so lbs of=20 people.
Basically packed to the roof.  = Power and=20 performance are not the limiting factors.
CG is.
Pack heavy items furthest forward,=20 etc.
Expect the plane to be very pitch = sensitive on=20 takeoff.  I mean PIO sensitive where when you try to correct the=20 oscillations it only gets worse.  The first time it happened to me = was one=20 of those weak in the knees moments.
It can be minimized by accelerating to = a higher=20 speed on the runway and then leaving flaps down until later than usual = when more=20 speed is up.
 
And, as with many aeronautical = situations, start=20 off pushing the envelope a little at a time like a good test = pilot.
 
Fly safe,
 
Mark Ravinski
360   1463 hrs
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Keith=20 Smith
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 8:55 = AM
Subject: [LML] gross weight for = LNC2

Speaking with a few owners, most of them have operated = in the=20 1800-1900lb range, at least out of airports where runway length was = not a=20 factor. 

If I understand correctly, the published figure = is=20 1685lbs. I'm curious how that number was derived, and what I should be = on the=20 lookout for when exceeding that weight.

I know that when I took = my=20 first demo ride 2 weeks ago, we were around 1750lbs, and climbing out = at=20 1500fpm on what was pretty close to a standard day.

What = maximum figure=20 would you use for a 360?


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