X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:45:50 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from blu0-omc3-s15.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.90] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3611247 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:27:46 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.116.90; envelope-from=cgainza@msn.com Received: from BLU112-W25 ([65.55.116.73]) by blu0-omc3-s15.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:27:13 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: cgainza@msn.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_1a8967fd-3f70-471a-843c-c89655839b29_" X-Originating-IP: [67.180.21.88] From: Craig Gainza X-Original-To: Lancair List Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Buying Tridair Livelocks X-Original-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:27:13 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2009 01:27:13.0209 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA0BD290:01C9C932] --_1a8967fd-3f70-471a-843c-c89655839b29_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bruce=2C I reinforced the inside of my fiberglass cowling with carbon on my IV-P. 5= 50 hours later the Tridair fasteners have shown no signs of pulling through= . No washer was used. They are by far the best cowling fastener I have ev= er seen. Good luck=2C Craig To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed=2C 29 Apr 2009 13:18:58 -0400 From: Sky2high@aol.com Subject: [LML] Re: Buying Tridair Livelocks Bruce=2C =20 If one has a carbon fiber cowl there should not be a problem. =20 If one has fiber glass cowling made from a large weave and gel coated with= =20 voids=2C the answer is "probably." But=2C anyone with such a cowling shoul= d=20 reinforce the inside edges - either with a strip of tighter weave=20 glass or carbon. I did the former and later had to reinforce the bottom=20 two holes nearest the centerline with carbon and a little flox because of t= he=20 strain on those holes. I have not had problems with any of the other=20 holes. =20 Scott Krueger =20 In a message dated 4/29/2009 9:21:19 A.M. Central Daylight Time=2C=20 Bruce@Glasair.org writes: =20 Are=20 you sure these things won=92t fret and pull through the fiberglass withou= t some=20 kind of tinnerman washer under the stud=20 nut? =20 =20 Bruce WWW.Glasair.org=20 =20 -----Original=20 Message----- From: Lancair=20 Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Stallard Sent: Wednesday=2C April 29=2C 2009 5:59=20 AM To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Buying Tridair=20 Livelocks =20 Just=20 got a quote from Alcoa (the owners of Fairchild Fasteners). You don=92t= =20 want to see it. =20 We=20 definitely need to do a group purchase. =20 BTW: Regarding=20 cowling fasteners=85.why the 1820-2 stud nuts for the cowling? The=20 grip range on those seems to be between .251 and .343. If guys are using= =20 the -2=92s it would mean the cowling surfaces mated together are =BC thic= k or=20 greater. Do they really get that thick after paint? From my=20 measurements of my cowl=2C the -1=92s are in the right range. Am I missi= ng=20 something? =20 Thanks Kevin =20 =20 =20 Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!= --_1a8967fd-3f70-471a-843c-c89655839b29_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bruce=2C

I reinforced the inside of my fiberglass cowling with carbo= n on my IV-P. =3B 550 hours later the Tridair fasteners have shown no s= igns of pulling through. =3B No washer was used. =3B They are by fa= r the best cowling fastener I have ever seen.

Good luck=2C
Craig<= br>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Wed=2C 29= Apr 2009 13:18:58 -0400
From: Sky2high@aol.com
Subject: [LML] Re: Bu= ying Tridair Livelocks

Bruce=2C
 =3B
If one has a carbon fiber cowl there should not be a problem.
 =3B
If one has fiber glass cowling made from a large weave and gel coated = with=20 voids=2C the answer is "probably." =3B But=2C anyone with such a cowlin= g should=20 reinforce the inside =3Bedges - either with a strip of =3Btighter w= eave=20 glass or carbon. =3B I did the former and later had to reinforce the bo= ttom=20 two holes nearest the centerline with carbon and a little flox because of t= he=20 strain on those holes. =3B I have not had problems with any of the othe= r=20 holes.
 =3B
Scott Krueger
 =3B
In a message dated 4/29/2009 9:21:19 A.M. Central Daylight Time=2C=20 Bruce@Glasair.org writes:

Are=20 you sure these things won=92t fret and pull through the fiberglass withou= t some=20 kind of tinnerman washer under the stud= =20 nut?

 =3B

Bruce
WWW.Glasair.org=20

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = Lancair=20 Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Stallard
Sent: Wednesday=2C April 29=2C 2009 5:59=20 AM
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subject:= [LML] Re: Buying Tridair=20 Livelocks

 =3B

Just=20 got a quote from Alcoa (the owners of Fairchild Fasteners). =3B You d= on=92t=20 want to see it.

 =3B

We=20 definitely need to do a group purchase.

 =3B

BTW: =3B Regarding=20 cowling fasteners=85.why the 1820-2 stud nuts for the cowling?  =3B&n= bsp=3BThe=20 grip range on those seems to be between .251 and .343. =3B If guys ar= e using=20 the -2=92s it would mean the cowling surfaces mated together are =BC thic= k or=20 greater. =3B Do they really get that thick after paint? =3B From = my=20 measurements of my cowl=2C the -1=92s are in the right range. =3B Am = I missing=20 something?

 =3B

Thanks

Kevin

 =3B

 =3B

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