X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:10:45 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.1] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3281317 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:14:06 -0500 Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id q.bda.36a7af67 (34934) for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:14:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail-db11 (webmail-db11.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.76]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA047-88764914d9cb29b; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:14:03 -0500 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Safety in our Community of Lancairs X-Original-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:14:03 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 75.63.172.168 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB0F4E0A8BCBA2_1520_3D9B_webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD Received: from 75.63.172.168 by webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.76) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:14:03 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CB0F4E0A824242-1520-1E35@webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO ----------MB_8CB0F4E0A8BCBA2_1520_3D9B_webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Kevin,=20 I am not saying anything. I am just doing the math. Once I have finished the= math I will=C2=A0let everyone know... I did address the hour thing in the o= ther graph. Put the two together and you have a picture. Private pilot + low= time in type=3D higher risk of accident.=20 I agree that training reduces accidents.=C2=A0=C2=A0As I said earlier in my=20= ten recommendations to become a safer pilot is if you are going to spend the= money training you might as well get a new rating. ;)=20 Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Stallard To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 5:37 pm Subject: [LML] Re: Safety in our Community of Lancairs Jeff, =C2=A0 >While Private Pilot certificates comprise 35% of total U.S. pilot populatio= n.=20 >Private pilots account for almost 55% of the Lancair accident population an= d 48% of the GA accident population =C2=A0 I think you are trying to say is =E2=80=9CIf you only have a Private Pilot c= ertificate, you are more likely to have an accident.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 And that= you probably mean to imply=20 that if you hold some other advanced rating, that you have a less chance of=20= having an accident. =C2=A0 The propblem is (at least for me) is that 100% of GA accidents are caused by= , well, =C2=A0pilots, and half of those accidents (or thereabouts) are cause= d by folks with higher ratings than a private pilot (according to your numbe= rs). =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m not convienced that a rating is the thing that is indicative of=20= the likely hood of an having an accident, however, I think that the amount o= f practice and training are, and unfortunalty ratings don=E2=80=99t accuratl= y reflect this quantity.=C2=A0 However, a logbook usually does.=C2=A0=C2=A0=20= Maybe that=E2=80=99s were we need to look. =C2=A0 Kevin =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -- or archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ----------MB_8CB0F4E0A8BCBA2_1520_3D9B_webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Kevin,

I am not saying anything. I am just doing the math. Once I have finished the= math I will let everyone know... I did address the hour thing in the o= ther graph. Put the two together and you have a picture. Private pilot + low= time in type=3D higher risk of accident.

I agree that training reduces accidents.  As I said earlier in my=20= ten recommendations to become a safer pilot is if you are going to spend the= money training you might as well get a new rating. ;)

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Stallard <Kevin@arilabs.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 5:37 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: Safety in our Community of Lancairs

Jeff,
 
>While Private Pilo= t certificates comprise 35% of total U.S. pilot population.
>Private pilots acc= ount for almost 55% of the Lancair accident population and 48% of the GA acc= ident population
 
I think you are trying= to say is =E2=80=9CIf you only have a Private Pilot certificate, you are mo= re likely to have an accident.=E2=80=9D  And that you probably mean to=20= imply
that if you hold some=20= other advanced rating, that you have a less chance of having an accident.
 
The propblem is (at le= ast for me) is that 100% of GA accidents are caused by, well,  pilots,=20= and half of those accidents (or thereabouts) are caused by folks with higher= ratings than a private pilot (according to your numbers).
 
I=E2=80=99m not convie= nced that a rating is the thing that is indicative of the likely hood of an=20= having an accident, however, I think that the amount of practice and trainin= g are, and unfortunalty ratings don=E2=80=99t accuratly reflect this quantit= y.  However, a logbook usually does.   Maybe that=E2=80=99s w= ere we need to look.
 
Kevin
 
 

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