X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:10:45 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3281344 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:34:56 -0500 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id q.cb0.30d98239 (48552) for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:34:51 -0500 (EST) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:35:18 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Safety in our Community of Lancairs X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1226104518" X-Mailer: Unknown sub 5000 X-Spam-Flag:NO -------------------------------1226104518 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uh, Jeff - where would I be counted? I hold a Private SEL and a Commercial MEL (also Instrument airplane)? BTW, I would guess that most (a statistical term meaning more than 50%) experimental aircraft accidents happen to private pilots. I had a number of incidents (defined as somewhat costly "oops") when I was a SLIT (Severely Limited In Type). How about we classify the great number of incidents that have occurred by counting "Prop Blades Installed per Hours In Type" (PBI/HIT) - My number would be 8/950. A large fraction would not be good. Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk Or, In a message dated 11/7/2008 5:38:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, vtailjeff@aol.com writes: More numbers: 57% of our Lancair accidents involve pilots with less than 100 hours in the Lancair model. 40% of the Lancair accident pilots had less than 50 hours in type at the time of the accident. The GA number for the last 3 years according to the Nall report is between 43 and 47% of the accident pilots had less than 100 hours in type. (see AOPA ASF Nall Report). 35% of the total pilot population hold Private Pilot certificates. 48% of the GA accidents occur to Private Pilots. 55% of our Lancair accidents involve Private Pilots. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: vtailjeff@aol.com To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 6:09 pm Subject: [LML] Re: Safety in our Community of Lancairs Here is more food for thought. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Giffen Marr <_gamarr@charter.net_ (mailto:gamarr@charter.net) > To: _lml@lancaironline.net_ (mailto:lml@lancaironline.net) Sent: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 7:07 pm Subject: [LML] Re: Safety in our Community of Lancairs Jeff What is the vertical scale?? Giff From: _vtailjeff@aol.com_ (mailto:vtailjeff@aol.com) [_mailto:vtailjeff@aol.com_ (mailto:vtailjeff@aol.com?) ] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 7:03 PM To: _lml@lancaironline.net_ (mailto:lml@lancaironline.net) Subject: Safety in our Community of Lancairs Here is a pretty sobering chart. Jeff ____________________________________ McCain or Obama? Stay up to date on the latest from the campaign trail with _AOL News_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212075880x1200752631/aol?redir=http://news.aol.com/elections?ncid=emlcntusnews00000001) . ____________________________________ Instant access to the latest & most popular FREE games while you browse with the Games Toolbar - _Download Now!_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212904500x1200818240/aol?redir=http://toolbar.aol.com/games/download.html?ncid =emlweusdown00000004) -- For archives and unsub _http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html_ (http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html) ____________________________________ Instant access to the latest & most popular FREE games while you browse with the Games Toolbar - _Download Now!_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212904500x1200818240/aol?redir=http://toolbar.aol.com/games/download.html?nci d=emlweusdown00000004) **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) -------------------------------1226104518 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Uh, Jeff - where would I be counted?  I hold a Private SEL and a=20 Commercial MEL (also Instrument airplane)?
 
BTW, I would guess that most (a statistical term meaning more than= =20 50%) experimental aircraft accidents happen to private=20 pilots. 
 
I had a number of incidents (defined as somewhat costly "oops") when I=20= was=20 a SLIT (Severely Limited In Type). How about we classify the great number of= =20 incidents that have occurred by counting "Prop Blades Installed per Hou= rs=20 In Type" (PBI/HIT) - My number would be 8/950.  A large fraction would=20= not=20 be good. 
 
Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk 
 
Or,
 
In a message dated 11/7/2008 5:38:43 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 vtailjeff@aol.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>More=20 numbers:

57% of our Lancair accidents involve pilots with less than= 100=20 hours in the Lancair model. 40% of the Lancair accident pilots had less th= an=20 50 hours in type at the time of the accident. The GA number for the last 3= =20 years according to the Nall report is between 43 and 47% of the accident=20 pilots had less than 100 hours in type. (see AOPA ASF Nall Report).=20

35% of the total pilot population hold Private Pilot=20 certificates. 48% of the GA accidents occur to Private Pilots. 55% of our=20 Lancair accidents involve Private Pilots.=20

Jeff




-----Original Message-----
From:=20 vtailjeff@aol.com
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 6:= 09=20 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: Safety in our Community of Lancairs

Here is more f= ood=20 for thought.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From:=20 Giffen Marr <gamarr@charter.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: W= ed, 5=20 Nov 2008 7:07 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: Safety in our Community of=20 Lancairs

<= SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black','sans-s= erif'">Jeff
<= SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black','sans-s= erif'">What=20 is the vertical scale??
<= SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black','sans-s= erif'">Giff
<= SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black','sans-s= erif'"> 
From: vtailjeff@aol.com [mailto:vtailjeff@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 7:= 03=20 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: Safety in our Community of= =20 Lancairs
 
Here is a pretty sobering=20 chart.

Jeff
 
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