X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:37:36 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web55704.mail.re3.yahoo.com ([216.252.110.35] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with SMTP id 3280771 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:11:50 -0500 Received: (qmail 63653 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Nov 2008 17:11:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=fplbzfUPotj7JG2AKtKgRwG19Vgp/ZIH3uHCJO1c/0Cb/mzXbSq6+ColWVVBoUIjv75Yn6dU5lu5FIJYglgIMUR7SvDG1FKrD7SuygmkD9FQyYgUIZAuHLLJVFnKBkFHhs1JunFKUOHnivMeDERjccq/pyx8KKqM6gll5FfsUu0=; X-YMail-OSG: HdUuwiMVM1m1grG34uxhyxHfKnYFa..9tHRdRjnQvMiWIWhaiJaGYENIVgbEw7T_JFdkfZ2BJZ6yuHpgOHVrt.Q665b8pq3vxqg4WKZLq3k2Oxg0G9_Ma18tlHtAynDNPJhRYpOy6FPdAdSuYNQpQwQkY8Ci.GIpzL3_azinlsD7yTK2Gw_soa.PYQBZ Received: from [174.130.99.154] by web55704.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:11:48 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.29 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: X-Original-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:11:48 -0800 (PST) From: J H Webb Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Lost a wing and landed X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2108159767-1226077908=:63641" X-Original-Message-ID: <299820.63641.qm@web55704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> --0-2108159767-1226077908=:63641 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friends,=0A=0A=A0=A0=A0 Thanks this is interesting but It is very fake= .=A0 I received it first from a German friend. I googled the name on the ai= rplane and it is Killathrill it appears to be a German company who has made= some other fake Videos. Look at =0Ahttp://www.killathrill.com/start.action= =0A=A0=A0=A0 This is their website and they have apparently used this video= in advertising in Europe and someone cut off the commercial message and im= plied that this was a real event.=A0 They made many mistakes in the video I= have sent out emails listing most of the errors. As a short sample the win= g was portrayed as if it was cut off with scissors with no trailing parts, = electrical wiring, or even cables. The airplane rolled the wrong way after = the wing left the airplane, the lift from the remaining wing should have ma= de it roll to the right. Knife edge flight is possible but the speed requir= ed to not loose control is much higher, but in the video the airplanes land= ing roll was very short indicating a low touch down speed.=0A=A0=A0=A0 And = there are many more flaws but enough it is an interesting video and like Ho= llywood action films, very little reality.=0A=0AThanks for the interesting = video but.....=0A=0AJack Webb=0ABSAE=0AL360, LIV =0ACheck airman=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Tom Williams =0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net=0ASent: Thursday, November 6, 200= 8 7:09:43 PM=0ASubject: [LML] Re: Lost a wing and landed=0A=0A=0AHow about = this one! Looks pretty real to me, even if it is a model.=0A=A0=0Ahttp://ww= w.youtube.com/watch?v=3DhOBB_-gZFNo=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A-----Or= iginal Message-----=0AFrom: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.= net] On Behalf Of vtailjeff@aol.com=0ASent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:= 08 PM=0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net=0ASubject: [LML] Re: Lost a wing and land= ed=0A=A0=0Aok... (LOL) you had me on that one!!!!=0A=0A=0A-----Original Mes= sage-----=0AFrom: Kevin Kossi =0ATo: lml@lanc= aironline.net=0ASent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 7:02 pm=0ASubject: [LML] Re: Lost a w= ing and landed=0AJeff, =0A=A0=0AI was kidding... but given=A0enough=A0horse= power verses weight and a big enough rudder and elevator maybe it can happe= n.=0AI have seen prop. planes hover=A0standing=A0straight=A0up. Although I'= m not trying it.=0AI guess the best bet is to try it on a model plane first= .=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D1nzY1Q4gea8=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A= Kevin=0A=A0=0AOn Nov 3, 2008, at 7:25 PM, VTAILJEFF@aol.com wrote:=0A=0A=0A= Kevin,=0A=0AJust for fun, explain to me how "anyone" could do that maneuver= ?=0A=0A;)=A0=A0 Jeff=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Kevin= Kossi =0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net=0ASent: S= un, 2 Nov 2008 6:29 pm=0ASubject: [LML] Re: Lost a wing and landed=0ALynn, = =0A=A0=0AYes looking at it later, I can see how it is pieced=A0together.=0A= But I am sure, if anyone had to really do that=A0maneuver, you could!.=0A= =A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0AKevin=0A=A0=0A=A0=0AOn Oct 31, 2008, at 12:10 PM, farnswo= rth wrote:=0A=0AKevin,=0A=A0=0AI do believe there is an R/C plane involved = in this pieced together video.=0A=A0=0ALynn Farnsworth=0A=A0=0A=0A_________= _______________________=0A=0AFrom:=A0Lancair Mailing List=A0[mailto:lml@lan= caironline.net]=A0On Behalf Of=A0Kevin Kossi=0ASent:=A0Thursday, October 30= , 2008 7:37 PM=0ATo:=A0lml@lancaironline.net=0ASubject:=A0[LML] Lost a wing= and landed=0A=A0=0AI can't=A0believe=A0this!=0A=A0=0ASays=A0allot=A0for "f= ly the plane first".=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.chilloutzone.de/files/08102703.html= =0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0AKevin=0A=A0Kevin Kossi=0ALegacy 82%=0ANew York=A0=0ACo= ntinental IO-550-EXP=0A10:1=A0Single Lightspeed=A0Single Slick Mag=0AHartze= ll=A0 HC-H3YF-2UFX/FC7391D-3X.=0AFull feathering, counterweighted, 3 blade= =A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=3D =0A=A0=0A=0A_______________________= _________=0A=0AMcCain or Obama? 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Dear friends,
 
    Thanks this is interesting but It is very fake.  I received it first from a German friend. I googled the name on the airplane and it is Killathrill it appears to be a German company who has made some other fake Videos. Look at
    This is their website and they have apparently used this video in advertising in Europe and someone cut off the commercial message and implied that this was a real event.  They made many mistakes in the video I have sent out emails listing most of the errors. As a short sample the wing was portrayed as if it was cut off with scissors with no trailing parts, electrical wiring, or even cables. The airplane rolled the wrong way after the wing left the airplane, the lift from the remaining wing should have made it roll to the right. Knife edge flight is possible but the speed required to not loose control is much higher, but in the video the airplanes landing roll was very short indicating a low touch down speed.
    And there are many more flaws but enough it is an interesting video and like Hollywood action films, very little reality.
 
Thanks for the interesting video but.....
 
Jack Webb
BSAE
L360, LIV
Check airman


From: Tom Williams <tfsent@worldnet.att.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 7:09:43 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Lost a wing and landed

How about this one! Looks pretty real to me, even if it is a model.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOBB_-gZFNo

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of vtailjeff@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:08 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Lost a wing and landed

 

ok... (LOL) you had me on that one!!!!


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Kossi <kevin@airforcemechanical.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 7:02 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: Lost a wing and landed

Jeff,

 

I was kidding... but given enough horsepower verses weight and a big enough rudder and elevator maybe it can happen.

I have seen prop. planes hover standing straight up. Although I'm not trying it.

I guess the best bet is to try it on a model plane first.

 

 

 

 

Kevin

 

On Nov 3, 2008, at 7:25 PM, VTAILJEFF@aol.com wrote:



Kevin,

Just for fun, explain to me how "anyone" could do that maneuver?

;)   Jeff




-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Kossi <kevin@airforcemechanical.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 6:29 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: Lost a wing and landed

Lynn,

 

Yes looking at it later, I can see how it is pieced together.

But I am sure, if anyone had to really do that maneuver, you could!.

 

 

 

Kevin

 

 

On Oct 31, 2008, at 12:10 PM, farnsworth wrote:



Kevin,

 

I do believe there is an R/C plane involved in this pieced together video.

 

Lynn Farnsworth

 

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Kossi
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:37 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Lost a wing and landed

 

I can't believe this!

 

Says allot for "fly the plane first".

 

 

 

 

Kevin

 

Kevin Kossi
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