X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:47:14 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail11.tpgi.com.au ([203.12.160.161] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.8) with ESMTPS id 3205355 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:00:53 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=203.12.160.161; envelope-from=domcrain@tpg.com.au X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from CRAIN (60-241-193-89.static.tpgi.com.au [60.241.193.89]) by mail11.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from domcrain@tpg.com.au) (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m99007Mh016190 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:00:09 +1100 From: "Dominic V Crain" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: Stalls et al etc. X-Original-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:00:07 +1100 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0075_01C929FE.322AD670" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AckoJKKtNdzDODTjRiSGsn7nDNBxhQBdkAtg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C929FE.322AD670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable G'day Luke, Been occupied with other matters so haven't been able to keep up with = the debate. Birds: It is equally valid to maintain your flight path as it is to take avoiding action. Birds haven't read the regs. You can't accurately = predict what they might do. But most of them won't keep flying straight into a hazard like an aeroplane. I've hit 'em on many occasions, the last one = which bent six fan blades of a CFM 56 engine 90 degrees to the plane of = rotation after V1. S**t happens. A mate o' mine was killed after hitting three pelicans in an F-111. Took 'em at 450 knots in a low level bombing run = on the range and they went through the windshield. He wasn't close to = stalling as he hit the ground inverted after pulling the handle. They know that because the cockpit had started to separate. I believe, me myself, that you can only take all the reasonable = precautions, but there is no way you can account for every situation. Expect the unexpected. Stall practice - go ahead and do it if that's your bent. But stick to = the rules. As for circuit speeds, and that appears to be the core of this debate, should not be flown outside ( meaning below), those factors set = in the regs. That means 1.4 Vsi for manoeuvring, and 1.3 Vso for approach. = Now, the Lancair POH states speeds associated with these and other = manoeuvres. Even Lancair have stated in the POH that the Flap down approach speed is 86.89762 KIAS.=20 Whatever your views, these debates keep the mind focussed on the issues, = and always benefit participants. Cheers Dom Crain VH-CZJ =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C929FE.322AD670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

G’day = Luke,

Been occupied with = other matters so haven’t been able to keep up with the debate.

Birds: It is equally = valid to maintain your flight path as it is to take avoiding action. Birds = haven’t read the regs. You can’t accurately predict what they might do. = But most of them won’t keep flying straight into a hazard like an = aeroplane. I’ve hit ‘em on many occasions, the last one which bent six fan blades = of a CFM 56 engine 90 degrees to the plane of rotation after V1. S**t happens. A = mate o’ mine was killed after hitting three pelicans in an F-111. Took ‘em = at 450 knots in a low level bombing run on the range and they went through the = windshield. He wasn’t close to stalling as he hit the ground inverted after = pulling the handle. They know that because the cockpit had started to = separate.

I believe, me myself, = that you can only take all the reasonable precautions, but there is no way you = can account for every situation. Expect the unexpected.

Stall practice = – go ahead and do it if that’s your bent. But stick to the rules. As for = circuit speeds, and that appears to be the core of this debate, should not be = flown outside ( meaning below), those factors set in the regs. That means 1.4 = Vsi for manoeuvring, and 1.3 Vso for approach. Now, the Lancair POH states speeds associated with = these and other manoeuvres. Even Lancair have stated in the POH that the Flap down approach = speed is 86.89762 KIAS.

Whatever your views, = these debates keep the mind focussed on the issues, and always benefit = participants.

Cheers

Dom = Crain

VH-CZJ

 

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