X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:41:27 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtp154.iad.emailsrvr.com ([207.97.245.154] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.8) with ESMTPS id 3198739 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:29:22 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.97.245.154; envelope-from=lalcorn@natca.net Received: from relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2822871C074 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from natca.net (webmail15.webmail.iad.mlsrvr.com [192.168.1.39]) by relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1CE9171BF86 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by webmail.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: lalcorn@natca.net, from: lalcorn@natca.net) with HTTP; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:28:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Stalls [LML] From: lalcorn@natca.net X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Type: plain X-Original-Message-ID: <1223076527.104611457@192.168.1.201> X-Mailer: webmail6.8 I would like to add to this discussion on stalls and slow flight handling o= f aircraft. One thing I see discussed by pilots is that, they do not need = to practice stalls or slow flight because they know the speeds and simply s= tay faster than those speeds close to the "slow realm" of flight, which I w= ould infer is also the region of reverse command and just above. This is a= great safety idea in ideal conditions, your familiar airport, standard tra= ffic patterns, no controllers, etc. Unfortunately real flight is nothing l= ike this. =0A=0AOne good example is bird avoidance. The proper method of = avoiding birds is to climb and turn, since birds will typically dive away. = So you are on a downwind, gear extended, flaps slightly out, and there is = a 10lb turkey vulture and you pull and turn. Sounds close to an accelerate= d stall, doesn't it. If you do not know what your plane feels like at slow= er speeds, how will you know how hard to pull or when to recover. Add this= during a base to final, and you have a stall spin accident. How many of t= hese accelerated stall base to final crashes have happened in the last year= alone? =0A=0ANext example is when you add those pesky controllers trying = to fit your 120 knot aircraft behind a 150 in the downwind at an airport wi= th a 3500 foot runway. They ask you to slow, you do the best you can, but = still eating this guys lunch. Your busy configuring etc, then the tower co= ntroller sees its not going to work and orders a go around when you are cro= ssing the threshold with full flaps and gear hanging out, starting to round= out. Do not think they won't do that either. Especially with the new gen= eration of controllers being hired off the street, many are not familiar wi= th aircraft characteristics and are only concerned about having an error. = How many of the "don't practice slow flight/stalls" practice full landing c= onfigured go-arounds at high rates of descent. Again, knowing your aircraf= t's slow handling characteristics might help here.=0A=0AHow about wind shea= r? I've been in clear VFR days in florida and catch the outflow from a sto= rm 20 miles away while in the downwind and loose 25 knots in an instant wit= h a nice downdraft. What is your natural instinct when you encounter a lar= ge sink close to the ground? Pull back now that you are only 6 knots above= stall?=0A=0AI could go on and on with examples, but just things to think a= bout.=0A=0APreviously stated "The initial training for a Lancair needs to i= nclude exposure to the stall to assess the speed at which it is likely to o= ccur. That assessed, continued testing of that seems superfluous given the = mind set should be clearly engraved to avoid the area whereby such a condit= ion of flight occurs". =0A=0AHow can you simply avoid these regions of flig= ht given the examples I have just stated?=0A=0ALuke Alcorn=0A=0A