X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:03:53 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from bay0-omc1-s36.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.108] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.8) with ESMTP id 3197496 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:43:32 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.246.108; envelope-from=randystuart@hotmail.com Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.168.80]) by bay0-omc1-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:42:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:42:55 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: Received: from 99.165.15.216 by BAY113-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 03:42:51 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [99.165.15.216] X-Originating-Email: [randystuart@hotmail.com] X-Sender: randystuart@hotmail.com From: "Randy" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Wiring a 360 X-Original-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:42:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C924CF.72EA55C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2008 03:42:55.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F257920:01C9250A] X-Original-Return-Path: randystuart@hotmail.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C924CF.72EA55C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rob,=20 That sounds about right. It's a long process, one wire at a time. It's = also important to wire your plane correctly. The right wire size and = type, ground loops and proper placement of power wires. If wired = correctly your plane will work properly, safely and quietly. Wiring it = wrong could be a disaster in the air.=20 You have a few talented builders at CMA, I fly over there all the time. = I don't know what shops you have available to you there but they will be = at least $100 an hour.=20 Randy Stuart ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rwolf99@aol.com=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 6:12 PM Subject: [LML] Re: Wiring a 360 Wiring a 360 takes a lot of time. I don't have my book with me but I = would be amazed if it didn't turn out to be 200 hours or more by the = time I'm done. This includes figuring out where the wires go, designing = and building places to clamp them down, as well as the actual cutting = and terminating of all the tiny wires. On the other hand, I am learning a lot about light aircraft electrical = systems. It's also enjoyable to be able to turn yet another system on = every day. Not like spending four years before you can get an aileron = to wiggle back and forth, or the gear to go up and down. Progress goes = faster. Randy's estimate of a month for a profession job sounds about right to = me. If they are charging a shop rate of $50 that works out to $8000. = At a shop rate of $1000, that's $16,000. There is your ballpark. I'd recommend -- and I can't afford this right now -- hiring a trained = aircraft electronics technician to help you, but not to do it all by = himself. You will cut the time tremendously, get a professional job = that works, and learn a lot. Pay more and learn less, that's okay too, = but it's not for me. On the other hand, I have convinced myself that I = cannot termnate an RG400 cable into the connector that goes to the radio = trays, so I'm hiring that out. As Dirty Harry says, "A man's got to = know his limitations." I have the Approach Systems wiring harness setup. It's good stuff. I = would not recommend that any untrained person put all of those wire = bundles together (unless you really have a lot of time) but I am wiring = up the connector bundles for the engine monitor myself. Mostly I'm just = running power and ground wires all over the place. BTW, one of my = Approach Systems cables was miswired. We had a horrendous squeal coming = out of the headphones, and tracked it down to a miswired intercom cable. = We depinned two orange wires and swapped their locations and all was = well. My friends tell me that when they built the Javelin Jet they had = similar problems with the Approach Systems cables. Bottom line -- it's = good stuff, and I'd use it again, but don't be surprised if you have to = swap a few pins along the way. The one product I would *not* use again is the Control Vision power = distribution system (EXP2V BUS). It works, and works well, but I think = it ended up taking more time and money than a standard circuit breaker = panel or fuses. - Rob Wolf -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Find phone numbers fast with the New AOL Yellow Pages! ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C924CF.72EA55C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rob,=20
That sounds about = right. It's=20 a long process, one wire at a time. It's also important to wire your = plane=20 correctly. The right wire size and type, ground loops and proper = placement of=20 power wires. If wired correctly your plane will work properly, = safely and=20 quietly. Wiring it wrong could be a disaster in the air.=20
You have a few = talented=20 builders at CMA, I fly over there all the time. I don't know what shops = you have=20 available to you there but they will be at least $100 an hour.=20
 
Randy=20 Stuart
 
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From:=20 rwolf99@aol.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 02, = 2008 6:12=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Wiring a = 360

Wiring a 360 takes a lot of time.  I don't have my = book=20 with me but I would be amazed if it didn't turn out to be 200 hours or = more by=20 the time I'm done.  This includes figuring out where the wires = go,=20 designing and building places to clamp them down, as well as the = actual=20 cutting and terminating of all the tiny wires.

On the other = hand, I am=20 learning a lot about light aircraft electrical systems.  It's = also=20 enjoyable to be able to turn yet another system on every day.  = Not like=20 spending four years before you can get an aileron to wiggle back and = forth, or=20 the gear to go up and down.  Progress goes faster.

Randy's = estimate of a month for a profession job sounds about right to = me.  If=20 they are charging a shop rate of $50 that works out to $8000.  At = a shop=20 rate of $1000, that's $16,000.  There is your = ballpark.

I'd=20 recommend -- and I can't afford this right now -- hiring a trained = aircraft=20 electronics technician to help you, but not to do it all by = himself.  You=20 will cut the time tremendously, get a professional job that works, and = learn a=20 lot.  Pay more and learn less, that's okay too, but it's not = for=20 me.  On the other hand, I have convinced myself that I cannot = termnate an=20 RG400 cable into the connector that goes to the radio trays, so I'm = hiring=20 that out.  As Dirty Harry says, "A man's got to know his=20 limitations."

I have the Approach Systems wiring harness = setup. =20 It's good stuff.  I would not recommend that any untrained = person=20 put all of those wire bundles together (unless you really have a lot = of time)=20 but I am wiring up the connector bundles for the engine monitor = myself. =20 Mostly I'm just running power and ground wires all over the = place.  BTW,=20 one of my Approach Systems cables was miswired.  We had a = horrendous=20 squeal coming out of the headphones, and tracked it down to a miswired = intercom cable.  We depinned two orange wires and swapped their = locations=20 and all was well.  My friends tell me that when they built the = Javelin=20 Jet they had similar problems with the Approach Systems cables.  = Bottom=20 line -- it's good stuff, and I'd use it again, but don't be surprised = if you=20 have to swap a few pins along the way.

The one product I would = *not*=20 use again is the Control Vision power distribution system (EXP2V = BUS). =20 It works, and works well, but I think it ended up taking more time and = money=20 than a standard circuit breaker panel or fuses.

- Rob Wolf
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