X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:32:57 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web55702.mail.re3.yahoo.com ([216.252.110.33] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.8) with SMTP id 3185865 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:53:39 -0400 Received: (qmail 54011 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Sep 2008 22:53:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=416sJvRH8iMuv1TTgOuZi7iPVXn+ChoYBEf8GN0iR4d326qCIWSF9YJbuSQbmX/pWzMPBQ/rfzJcivxAIVz/0sAKMKIowX3Dxn/a/WBc1vW474aY4xmwLYKhNKhUIHdF+3T91iSo/FweFMm8LFQ4K6SXdyiXzU75PkuvpARt77E=; X-YMail-OSG: toCHvTMVM1mDBtfg7qW3POQWHmYeWCv2LP1YIkyZ51cFFptVwnjY34z7jAtjMK_CkJs0.K.lxHIyANDbSFn_yui.ja9RnSAlAkYcUMZnwilAnR8IDT5jInjzfBEz7wxgqrKMgNAUGeuWHjtqxnE_Mz6IkH6nj7eYdu0QagWn2_IsduPJJSI_7YKmymlu Received: from [24.172.238.114] by web55702.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:53:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1096.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 X-Original-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:53:39 -0700 (PDT) From: J H Webb Subject: Re: [LML] SkyCatcher flat spins and crashes...... X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1353430667-1222296819=:53515" X-Original-Message-ID: <879510.53515.qm@web55702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> --0-1353430667-1222296819=:53515 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What surprises me is that there is no mention of a spin chute. We never did= a spin series without a spin chute and=A0even though,=A0we lost 2 aircraft= during some spin testing as the pilot assigned did not deploy the chute...= . Guess it got confusing at high rotational rates about 2 axis and pitching= in the third, but kinda gets you doesn't it.=0A=A0=0AJack Webb=0AL360, LIV= =0ABSAE=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: John Hafen =0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net=0ASent: Wednesday, September 24, 2= 008 6:33:26 PM=0ASubject: [LML] SkyCatcher flat spins and crashes......=0A= =0AAt the risk of reigniting the discussion about practicing stalls in the = Lancair, it is Interesting to note that a light sport aircraft would be des= igned such that it is susceptible to the dreaded flat spin. =A0=0A=0A=93The= SkyCatcher entered an unintentional flat spin and continued to 5,000 feet,= where the test pilot bailed out.=94=0A=0AJohn Hafen=0A=0ASkyCatcher protot= ype crashes=0A=0ABy Alton K. Marsh=0AOne of the firstCessna 162 SkyCatcher = light sport aircraft prototypes crashed Sept. 18 during a test flight 30 mi= les southeast of the Cessna Aircraft Company factory in Wichita, Kan.=0A=0A= The aircraft crashed near a wooded area, but the pilot landed safely by par= achute about 400 yards from where the SkyCatcher crashed, according to a ne= ws report by a KAKE television news team. The pilot reportedly received onl= y minor injuries.=0A=0AWitnesses told the news team that they heard a pop a= nd saw sparks before the airplane crashed. The SkyCatcher is the company=92= s eagerly awaited entry into the LSA market, with nearly 1,000 on order. Th= e aircraft, one of several built for testing, had 100 flights totaling 150 = hours, according to comments made by a Cessna spokesman during a KAKE news = interview. The aircraft is to be built in Shenyang, China, by Shenyang Airc= raft Corp.=0A=0AA spokesman from the National Transportation Safety Board s= aid it was an Experimental category flight test to conduct a stall series a= t 10,000 feet. The SkyCatcher entered an unintentional flat spin and contin= ued to 5,000 feet, where the test pilot bailed out.=0A=0AWhile it is unusua= l for the NTSB to investigate Experimental test flight accidents, the spoke= sman said his agency is gathering information from the FAA and Cessna. =93T= his is the light sport aircraft category, and it is something we want to un= derstand,=94 the spokesman said. The NTSB began paying special attention to= light sport accidents in October 2007 that will conclude in January 2009, = the spokesman said.=0A=0AOn Sept. 19, NTSB officials decided to assign inve= stigator Craig Hatch of the Chicago office to prepare an official NTSB repo= rt on the SkyCatcher accident. He does not plan to travel to the accident s= cene.=0A=0A=0A --0-1353430667-1222296819=:53515 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What surprises me is that there is no mention of a spin chute. We= never did a spin series without a spin chute and even though, we= lost 2 aircraft during some spin testing as the pilot assigned did not dep= loy the chute.... Guess it got confusing at high rotational rates about 2 a= xis and pitching in the third, but kinda gets you doesn't it.

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----- Original Message ----
From: John Hafen <j= .hafen@comcast.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Wednesday, Sep= tember 24, 2008 6:33:26 PM
Subject: [LML] SkyCatcher flat spins and cras= hes......

At the risk of reigniting the discussion about prac= ticing stalls in the Lancair, it is Interesting to note that a light sport = aircraft would be designed such that it is susceptible to the dreaded flat = spin.  

=93<= FONT face=3DArial>The SkyCatcher entered an = unintentional flat spin and continued to 5,000 feet, where the test pilot b= ailed out.=94

John Hafen

<= /SPAN>SkyCatcher prototype crashes

By Alton K. Marsh
One of the first Cessna 162 SkyCatcher light sport aircraft prototypes crashed Sept. 18 during = a test flight 30 miles southeast of the Cessna Aircraft Company factory in = Wichita, Kan.

The aircraft crashed near a wooded area, but the pilot= landed safely by parachute about 400 yards from where the SkyCatcher crash= ed, according to a news report by a KAKE telev= ision news team. The pilot reportedly received= only minor injuries.

Witnesses told the news team that they heard a pop and sa= w sparks before the airplane crashed. The SkyCatcher is the company=92s eag= erly awaited entry into the LSA market, with nearly 1,000 on order. The air= craft, one of several built for testing, had 100 flights totaling 150 hours= , according to comments made by a Cessna spokesman during a KAKE news inter= view. The aircraft is to be built in Shenyang, China, by Shenyang Aircraft = Corp.

A spokesman from the National Transportation Safety Board said= it was an Experimental category flight test to conduct a stall series at 1= 0,000 feet. The SkyCatcher entered an unintentional flat spin and continued= to 5,000 feet, where the test pilot bailed out.

While it is unusual= for the NTSB to investigate Experimental test flight accidents, the spokes= man said his agency is gathering information from the FAA and Cessna. =93Th= is is the light sport aircraft category, and it is something we want to understand,=94 the spokesman said. The NTSB began paying special attent= ion to light sport accidents in October 2007 that will conclude in January = 2009, the spokesman said.

On Sept. 19, NTSB officials decided to ass= ign investigator Craig Hatch of the Chicago office to prepare an official N= TSB report on the SkyCatcher accident. He does not plan to travel to the ac= cident scene.


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