X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:27:06 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([76.13.9.29] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.8) with SMTP id 3132147 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:03:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 89617 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Sep 2008 04:03:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=CndOW5ag1O8zKCsoE9y6WkXNW1rv3w+NVlHZBAEqqxZytQGDiNnOXHJY3se8VlzHy5I59ejcWB85DzQP7m1kZnINjkkO+wa4eaTqb0Ob+wE1WuYxhgoq56KKkV6D/TeJA0bw93RhAEeAC0zV/GDgMgGqy8VqHZNKZ1R7QXtM5qM=; X-YMail-OSG: .62yafkVM1ki5Xz4L7PjQP87oQ7apK_qVDuJfY3XkX2YihQetbvn72.T_GwsQ4ZZkf_zEM6a.__clo1WPvBu70EZOuQDLmUTbF3C1Ic64srZ4kNrBowKJ4OgdUj_PG01aqelllJ3Q.L8pFvjNa76I10- Received: from [74.34.211.8] by web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:03:56 PDT X-Original-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:03:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Reeves Subject: Re: [LML] 360 High Oil Temps X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1834684986-1221451436=:89464" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Original-Message-ID: <330527.89464.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --0-1834684986-1221451436=:89464 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Clark, I appreciate your email. I had the same problem and tried lots of different things and ended up using a 3 inch scat which runs directly into the oil cooler, no bends and it worked well, but I am wondering if - instead of elbows, if you would improve oil flow with either straight fittings into the oil cooler or possibly 45 degree fittings instead of 90 degree elbows? I used a straight and a 45 due to the engine mount and it made a huge improvement over the 90's which were there previously. Oil flows fastest in a straight line. Matt Clark Baker wrote: In the 6+ years that I have owned my LNC2 360, I have always had somewhat higher oil temps than I would like. The problem was exacerbated somewhat by a complete overhaul with higher compression 9/1 pistons. Over those 6 years, I tried: -a new oil cooler -a larger oil cooler (one specified for the IO 540) - adding a 2" SCAT tube to supplement the existing 3" SCAT tube (fed from the opposite side of the rear baffle) -feeding the 2" SCAT above off a small cowling NACA (instead of the baffle) -adding louvers -adding a plenum to seal the cooler to the louvers While walking through this issue with a fellow Lancair owner, I deduced it was not a problem with the cooler (or size), the cooler air inflow, or the air outflow. That seemed to leave the oil flow. So, I tried replacing the vernatherm. No change. While pondering the problem, I happened to notice the "T" fitting on the oil cooler (that I had conveniently ignored for the 6+ year). This fitting (to drain the cooler) was installed by an A&P and experienced homebuilder who was helping me finish out the engine installation. I know little about fluid dynamics, but an elbow fitting appeared that it would flow much better than that "T" fitting. I replaced the "T" with an elbow fitting, and my oil temps immediately dropped 20+ degrees F. I can now climb direct to 15k on a hot day or drag around the pattern without the oil temp nearing redline. Two lessons I learned (6 years later): 1. The solution is sometimes the most simple and obvious (and cheapest), and 2. don't get lulled into thinking that someone with all the credentials never makes mistakes. Regards, Clark Baker LNC2 360, 900hrs -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html --0-1834684986-1221451436=:89464 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Clark,

I appreciate your email.  I had the same problem and tried lots of different things and ended up using a 3 inch scat which runs directly into the oil cooler, no bends and it worked well, but I am wondering if - instead of elbows, if you would improve oil flow with either straight fittings into the oil cooler or possibly 45 degree fittings instead of 90 degree elbows?   I used a straight and a 45 due to the engine mount and it made a huge improvement over the 90's which were there previously.

Oil flows fastest in a straight line.

Matt

Clark Baker <bakercdb@gmail.com> wrote:
In the 6+ years that I have owned my LNC2 360, I have always had
somewhat higher oil temps than I would like. The problem was
exacerbated somewhat by a complete overhaul with higher compression
9/1 pistons.

Over those 6 years, I tried:
-a new oil cooler
-a larger oil cooler (one specified for the IO 540)
- adding a 2" SCAT tube to supplement the existing 3" SCAT tube (fed
from the opposite side of the rear baffle)
-feeding the 2" SCAT above off a small cowling NACA (instead of the baffle)
-adding louvers
-adding a plenum to seal the cooler to the louvers

While walking through this issue with a fellow Lancair owner, I
deduced it was not a problem with the cooler (or size), the cooler air
inflow, or the air outflow. That seemed to leave the oil flow. So, I
tried replacing the vernatherm. No change.

While pondering the problem, I happened to notice the "T" fitting on
the oil cooler (that I had conveniently ignored for the 6+ year). This
fitting (to drain the cooler) was installed by an A&P and experienced
homebuilder who was helping me finish out the engine installation. I
know little about fluid dynamics, but an elbow fitting appeared that
it would flow much better than that "T" fitting.

I replaced the "T" with an elbow fitting, and my oil temps immediately
dropped 20+ degrees F. I can now climb direct to 15k on a hot day or
drag around the pattern without the oil temp nearing redline. Two
lessons I learned (6 years later): 1. The solution is sometimes the
most simple and obvious (and cheapest), and 2. don't get lulled into
thinking that someone with all the credentials never makes mistakes.

Regards,
Clark Baker
LNC2 360, 900hrs
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