X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:04:07 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com ([74.125.46.31] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.7) with ESMTP id 3123802 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:38:17 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.125.46.31; envelope-from=mehapgood@gmail.com Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so74833ywj.7 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:37:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:sender :message-id; b=s8AjC9fMGNsrrs4WQLVEvsHV05MXg8kPvscmLh0879VisqfQxQvfDnqGmwD4krkogl uUiNNOz4ZRAwZAR7HAVSlV0eKqtzNpYKs31+mjW3UJZWOsumT/Q/g46ManW/SgMLubV2 JwBACaewyAYUQD180EDujfZdQywaO0W8GFmKA= Received: by 10.150.133.18 with SMTP id g18mr3278936ybd.137.1221107861021; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:37:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from Dell690 ( [74.245.88.117]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u25sm3623172ele.1.2008.09.10.21.37.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:37:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Matt Hapgood" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Practicing Stalls X-Original-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:38:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C913A6.BD7B40C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AckTrRgE3hl8upGtQn2h5zP8smiTyQAFy10A Content-Language: en-us X-Original-Sender: Matt Hapgood X-Original-Message-ID: <48c8a093.19ac7e0a.4e4e.ffffee69@mx.google.com> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C913A6.BD7B40C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99m not an expert on the subject of stalling Lancairs.=20 =20 I do have some experience on the subject of training. =20 First, I fly a 360 and trained with HPAT last year. We did NOT stall = the airplane. We approached stalls, recognized the indicators of = impending stall, and recovered. But that=E2=80=99s it. =20 Second, with respect to 747 and Raptors =E2=80=93 I don=E2=80=99t think = those planes are stalled in practice either. In a REAL simulator (ie. = equipment that accurately reflects aircraft performance)? Yes. In the = airplane? No. =20 Third, I work in aviation training. When we developed our simulator for = the Kingair (a relatively benign twin) we had great difficulty finding = ANYONE who had EVER actually stalled the aircraft. That includes = multiple FAA inspectors and more than a handful of professional pilots. = We ended up hiring a Beechcraft test pilot to provide subjective = feedback on the matter.=20 =20 Honestly, I=E2=80=99m not exactly sure of where =E2=80=9Cimpending = stall=E2=80=9D and the recognition that a stall is going to occur ends = and where the ACTUAL stall occurs=E2=80=A6 Again, not my area of = expertise.=20 =20 So, although I can only relate MY experiences, those experiences suggest = that even professional pilots don=E2=80=99t fully stall complex/high = performance aircraft IN THE AIRPLANE. =20 =20 Not sure it really furthers this conversation, but as long as we are = beating a dead horse I figured I might as well kick it a few times too. =20 Matt ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C913A6.BD7B40C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I=E2=80=99m not an expert on the subject of stalling = Lancairs.

I do have some experience on the subject of = training.

First, I fly a 360 and trained with HPAT last year.=C2=A0 = We did NOT stall the airplane.=C2=A0 We approached stalls, recognized the = indicators of impending stall, and recovered.=C2=A0 But that=E2=80=99s = it.

Second, with respect to 747 and Raptors =E2=80=93 I = don=E2=80=99t think those planes are stalled in practice either.=C2=A0 In a REAL simulator (ie. = equipment that accurately reflects aircraft performance)? =C2=A0Yes.=C2=A0 In the = airplane?=C2=A0 No.

Third, I work in aviation training.=C2=A0 When we = developed our simulator for the Kingair (a relatively benign twin) we had great = difficulty finding ANYONE who had EVER actually stalled the aircraft.=C2=A0 That = includes multiple FAA inspectors and more than a handful of professional = pilots.=C2=A0 We ended up hiring a Beechcraft test pilot to provide subjective feedback = on the matter.

Honestly, I=E2=80=99m not exactly sure of where = =E2=80=9Cimpending stall=E2=80=9D and the recognition that a stall is going to occur ends and where the ACTUAL = stall occurs=E2=80=A6=C2=A0 Again, not my area of expertise. =

So, although I can only relate MY experiences, those = experiences suggest that even professional pilots don=E2=80=99t fully stall = complex/high performance aircraft IN THE AIRPLANE.=C2=A0

Not sure it really furthers this conversation, but as = long as we are beating a dead horse I figured I might as well kick it a few times = too.

Matt

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