X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:04:07 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.17] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.7) with ESMTP id 3124740 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:51:05 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.17; envelope-from=j.hafen@comcast.net Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DQak1a00316AWCUAAWqUdh; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:50:28 +0000 Received: from [10.128.88.223] ([206.191.160.125]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DWqK1a00A2idoaN8SWqMdF; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:50:26 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=x9c9CKTpsucQPKGSw7EA:9 a=VwfVqzjoSsfvHoKqhpMA:7 a=KDX1lqkXHpk9_ByfItF6tM6VnWkA:4 a=T7dl6hF01GMA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=ndTQkonOMSIA:10 a=BNO463ydCkyQlWYfRfsA:9 a=ZKoWDyRTs1EDqFBKsosA:7 a=rWfDjN-c8oq419FM7hi7UKK_ffIA:4 a=Sz-0p1zU2dQA:10 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.12.0.080729 X-Original-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:50:18 -0700 Subject: Traffic Pattern Stalls From: John Hafen X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List X-Original-Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Traffic Pattern Stalls Thread-Index: AckUPzwQ454ZZMEh60iYaZYaBPnHqw== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3303978626_242420" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3303978626_242420 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Bill,=20 You comment that practicing or =B3approaching loss of control...is so much easier to learn at 3000=B9 AGL than 100=B9 AGL.=B2 If you insist on practicing stall recovery in a IVP, I=B9d recommend you star= t a lot higher than 3000=B9. Discussing short final 100=B9 stalls is silly since any traffic pattern (1500=B9) stall in an IVP is non-survivable. John Hafen On 9/10/08 6:24 PM, "Robert Mitchell" wrote: > A famous aviator once said that; > =20 > =B3a J-3 Cub can just barely kill you=B2. > =20 > (Airplanes are generally safe only if left in the hangar.) > =20 > Sorry, > Bob Mitchell > =20 >=20 >=20 > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bi= ll > Kennedy > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:35 PM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: Lancair Accidents > =20 > Question: >=20 > "Why would you want to practice stalling a plane such as a IVP or IVPT th= at is > quick to enter a spin and may or may not be recoverable?" >=20 > Answer: >=20 > For the same reason you must demonstrate stalls to get your pilots licens= e and > to do your bi-annual flight review: So you will recognize the approaching= loss > of control and take to proper action. It's so much easier to learn at 300= 0' > AGL than at 100' AGL on short final with your wife and kids aboard. >=20 > Got another question for you. Would you really fly an airplane that would= kill > you as soon as you got close to a stall? Every landing would be a nail bi= ter. > =20 >=20 --B_3303978626_242420 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Traffic Pattern Stalls Bill,

You comment that practicing or “approaching loss of control...is so m= uch easier to learn at 3000’ AGL than 100’ AGL.”

If you insist on practicing stall recovery in a IVP, I’d recommend yo= u start a lot higher than 3000’.

Discussing short final 100’ stalls is silly since any traffic pattern= (1500’) stall in an IVP is non-survivable.

John Hafen


On 9/10/08 6:24 PM, "Robert Mitchell" <rmitch1@hughes.net> wrote:

A famous aviator once said that;
 
“a J-3 Cub can just barely kill you”.
 
(Airplanes are generally safe only if left in the hangar.)
 
Sorry,
Bob Mitchell
 

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Ken= nedy
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:35 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Lancair Accidents
Question:

"Why would you want to practice stalling a plane= such as a IVP or IVPT that is quick to enter a spin and may or may not be r= ecoverable?"

Answer:

For the same reason you must demonstrate stalls to get your pilots license = and to do your bi-annual flight review: So you will recognize the approachin= g loss of control and take to proper action. It's so much easier to learn at= 3000' AGL than at 100' AGL on short final with your wife and kids aboard.
Got another question for you. Would you really fly an airplane that would k= ill you as soon as you got close to a stall? Every landing would be a nail b= iter.

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