Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #48845
From: Scott Resnick <resnickaircraft@yahoo.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Birdstrikes and other structural damage.
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:29:55 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Thanks

--- On Tue, 9/9/08, Mark Ravinski <mjrav@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Mark Ravinski <mjrav@comcast.net>
Subject: [LML] Birdstrikes and other structural damage.
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 4:41 PM

Guys and Girls,
Let me share a little Air Force doctrine for you to ponder.
 
First,   Whenever you experience structural damage in flight, whether from a bird, midair, someone shooting at you or anything else, the safest speed is the one you are at - assuming that you are still controllable.  Probably somewhat slower if you are not.  This is because the stall speed is expected to increase with any damage.
 
Second,   Climb at a safe airspeed to a safe altitude for a controllability check and possibly bailout. 
I realize that we seldom fly with a chute and this part is of limited use.
The controllability check is  a gradual slowing down to see if the plane is still controllable at a speed at which it can be landed safely.  Use flaps only if they appear undamaged.
 
Tricycle gear airplanes have a maximum landing speed where the nosewheel touches down first initiating a porpoise and probable gear collapse.  My 360 would probably be porposing badly at speeds about 50 kts above normal landing speed.  This is a hard number to get exact data on.  You can gradually increase landing speeds until you touch down exactly 3 point and then figure somewhat more as a practical limit.
 
I would do the controllability check as a means to determine how messy the landing could be.  Then go somewhere with plenty of emergency equipment if needed and maybe even land gear up.
 
Lastly,  After the controllability check, maneuver to your landing while holding a speed at or above the minimum you flew on the check. 
There are other checklist items also as appropriate from your manual.
 
Mark Ravinski
360    1445 hrs
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 3:30 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: My three Birdstrikes

I have hit three birds so far in Lancairs.

One on Takeoff at Night.  120knts
Broke the spinner.

One at 8,000 feet over the Columbia River in Oregon. 170 knts
Cracked the Cowl

One on Extended Base  140 knts 
Cracked the Cowl

.

Birds love me.


Scott




--- On Sun, 9/7/08, MikeEasley@aol.com <MikeEasley@aol.com> wrote:
From: MikeEasley@aol.com <MikeEasley@aol.com>
Subject: [LML] Re: high speed passes and go arounds
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 3:09 PM

One argument I've heard concerning high speed passes is the potential of a bird strike.  At high speed the impact of a bird is much more dangerous than if it happens at approach speeds.  I'm not sure how valid the argument is, but it makes sense to me.
 
Mike Easley
Colorado Springs





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