X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 23:04:47 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ([167.206.4.198] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.0) with ESMTP id 2782293 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:51:00 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=167.206.4.198; envelope-from=barkerasset@earthlink.net Received: from OFFICE2004 (ool-44c6358d.dyn.optonline.net [68.198.53.141]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JXD00M7OWVYMB80@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:50:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:50:23 -0500 From: Bob Barker Subject: Re: [LML] Recovery from wheel off runway X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List X-Original-Message-id: <002001c880ae$02cc7e00$6401a8c0@OFFICE2004> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: How about BOTH wheels off the runway? I once landied on a short runway with high thick trees on both sides and a strong crosswind. At 75 ft the strong crosswind, for which I was correcting nicely, suddenly disappeared . I found myself parallel to the runway over a gravel taxiway and with a commercial building at the far end of the short runway/taxiway. I landed very well, on the gravel taxiway. The interesting part of the story is I had an examiner on board and it was on my checkride for my private ticket! Why in the world did you land on the taxiway, he asked. My reply, "I was stabilized, on speed on spot, and wasn't sure I could clear the building in front of me on a go around. And it was clear there was no ground conflict on the taxiway". I was sure he would fail me but he gave me my ticket. I believe he was wrong to do so but that's not my point. The point is every instance is different. My examiner must have thought I used good judgement for a student. Often outcome is used to judge judgement but outcome is an invalid means of measurement. I don't think there is anything specific to learn from this sad accident about what to do once a wheel leaves the runway. But if the Velocity was not near enough to the centerline before touchdown perhaps he should have gone around before touching down. Thats what I should have done. I recommend an occassional practise go around at 10 ft. It clears the mind of the idea that go arounds are something dreadful.