X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 01:54:24 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.136] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.0) with ESMTP id 2779422 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:18:41 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.139.136; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id q.d30.274c41c3 (39331) for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 01:17:57 -0500 (EST) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 01:17:57 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Recovery from wheel off runway X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1204784277" X-Mailer: Unknown sub 34 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1204784277 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike, A tractor airplane will behave quite differently than a pusher with one bogged down wheel and takeoff power applied. Think about where the force vectors are. Also, canard airplanes just won't fly if there is not enough speed for the canard to start flying. There is no comparison to the Baily accident and this one. Grayhawk In a message dated 3/5/2008 9:18:25 P.M. Central Standard Time, JJHALLE@stoel.com writes: "The only "take home" safety message that I'm processing is the report that the Velocity got one wheel off the runway in the grass/dirt/mud/sand. One report stated that the Velocity pilot added power to go around. I'm not sure which occurred first, adding power, or getting a wheel off the runway. But if he had a wheel off the runway and added power, it sounds very similar to the Grant Bailey IVP fatal accident. I'm curious to hear from the Lancair gurus on what they recommend when a landing goes bad and a wheel leaves the pavement. I'm not so sure adding power is a good thing." I think it unfortunately depends completely on the circumstances. I was a passenger in a 320 that got a wheel in the gravel at Sisters, OR. The pilot added full power and we went around without further incident. I am pretty sure that there would have been a pretty ugly crash if he had tried to continue the landing. On the other hand, the ground was dry and there was not a huge dip from the pavement to the gravel. There were also trees lining the runway close and some pretty ugly ground in between. With smooth grass and taxiways (unencumbered with other airplanes) and the wheel getting pretty badly hung up in whatever it got into, I might elect to slide home. Also depends if you are off left (in which case torque will compound the problem) or right (in which case it will help solve it.) Problem is, you have nanoseconds to decide. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) -------------------------------1204784277 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mike,
 
A tractor airplane will behave quite differently than a pusher with=20 one bogged down wheel and takeoff power applied.  Think about= =20 where the force vectors are.  Also, canard airplanes just won't fly if=20 there is not enough speed for the canard to start flying.  There is no=20 comparison to the Baily accident and this one.
 
Grayhawk 
 
In a message dated 3/5/2008 9:18:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 JJHALLE@stoel.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>"The=20 only "take home" safety message that I'm processing is the report that the= =20 Velocity got one wheel off the runway in the grass/dirt/mud/sand.  On= e=20 report stated that the Velocity pilot added power to go around.  I'm=20= not=20 sure which occurred first, adding power, or getting a wheel off the=20 runway.  But if he had a wheel off the runway and added power, it sou= nds=20 very similar to the Grant Bailey IVP fatal accident.  I'm curious to=20= hear=20 from the Lancair gurus on what they recommend when a landing goes bad and=20= a=20 wheel leaves the pavement.  I'm not so sure adding power is a good=20 thing."

I think it unfortunately depends completely on the=20 circumstances.  I was a passenger in a 320 that got a wheel in the gr= avel=20 at Sisters, OR.  The pilot added full power and we went around withou= t=20 further incident.  I am pretty sure that there would have been a pret= ty=20 ugly crash if he had tried to continue the landing.  On the other han= d,=20 the ground was dry and there was not a huge dip from the pavement to the=20 gravel.  There were also trees lining the runway close and some prett= y=20 ugly ground in between.  With smooth grass and taxiways (unencumbered= =20 with other airplanes) and the wheel getting pretty badly hung up in whatev= er=20 it got into, I might elect to slide home.  Also depends if you are of= f=20 left (in which case torque will compound the problem) or right (in which c= ase=20 it will help solve it.)  Problem is, you have nanoseconds to=20 decide.




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