Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #46123
From: Randy <randystuart@hotmail.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: 235/320/360 gear dump valve idea
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:58:37 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
I don't know if all the pumps are the same internally through the years. I did have an older one with the metal reservoir and now I have a new one with the plastic reservoir. They both did the some thing in warmer temps.
These pumps were not made for aircraft, they are marine pumps, used for lifting in/out drives on boats. They work great in our planes and create plenty of pressure to do the job but a boat hydraulic system is not set up the same as our little airplanes. The in/out drive system doesn't use or require any pressure sensing switches. The pump either pushes the drive up or down depending on the direction of the fluid flow. When it gets to the end it just opens the preset pressure release valves inside the pump and flows the fluid back into the reservoir. Our system needs the pressure sensing switches so the landing gear will stay pressurized either up or down.
So, the shuttle valve ( Spool Valve ) in these pumps have no need to allow a path for the fluid to return to the reservoir, unless it is running. The pump can be opened and modified to stop the valve from closing so easily but I don't know what other effect this might have on the functions of the pump to hold the pressures. Might be better to externally solve this problem.
A T-shuttle valve can be had from ebay or Lancair parts. They sell them for about $20 and I bought some on ebay for $4.
It's all about experimental...........
 
Randy Stuart
LNC-2
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 3:43 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: 235/320/360 gear dump valve idea

<<From: Randy <randystuart
Then the pump pressurizes the high side and it stops, and the shuttle valve centers,...>>
This is where pumps in the fleet differ.  In my two pumps the shuttle valve does not return to center.  It stays where the fluid last pushed it.  The O-ring on the spool offers up much more friction than the spring on the poppet valve could ever hope to overcome.  I am curious if all pump vintages have O-rings on the spool valve and/or how snug the fit might be?  If the spool can be made to stay put, the problem goes away.  I am simply suggesting this as something to investigate before a lot of new plumbing is added to the system.
 
A little over a year ago, when this issue was last discussed, I took a series of photos showing the effect of heating and cooling.  What is observed is that the high side pressure goes up and down with temperature (heat gun and ice bath) while the low side remains at zero. 
My pumps are '95 and newer.
 
Chris Zavatson
N91CZ
360std


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