X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:46:58 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from global.delionsden.com ([66.150.29.112] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c4) with ESMTPS id 2643685 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:13:08 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.150.29.112; envelope-from=n103md@yahoo.com Received: from bmackey by global.delionsden.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1JEAzO-00045G-Jd for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:07:34 -0500 Received: from 69.12.132.145 ([69.12.132.145]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user bmackey) by www.bmackey.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:07:34 -0800 (PST) X-Original-Message-ID: <61012.69.12.132.145.1200262054.squirrel@www.bmackey.com> X-Original-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:07:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [LML] Pitch Servo Connection From: "bob mackey" X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - global.delionsden.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lancaironline.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32015 2012] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Don Skeele wrote: > However you attach the pitch servo rod to the elevator push rod, > try to eliminate any "slop' or "dead area". My 235/320 is very sensitive > in pitch control, so if you allow the push rods to rotate when control > force is applied, this presents a dead area to the servo/controller,so > rotate all the rod-end bearngs in one direction to minimise "slop", I > attached the servo rod end bearing to the elevator pushrod with a bolt > thru the servo rod end bearing, which was bent 90 deg to parallel the > elevator push rod and the used two hose clamps around both to hold it > parallel and tight to the elevator push rod. While I agree that there should be no slop in the control system, I don't think clocking the rod end bearings is the right way to go about removing slop. The distance between the ends of the pushrods is designed to be independent of bearing rotation, so rotating the bearing does not contribute to slop. If the servo's action is causing the elevator pushrod to rotate on its axis, the problem is that the servo is not located ideally. The servo pushrod should be very nearly parallel with the elevator pushrod, and the arm off the side of the elevator pushrod should be in the plane of the two pushrods. That way, the elevator position is unaffected by rotation of any bearing around its pushrod axis. The servo motion does not apply any torque to the pushrods, only pure tension/compression. If the bearings are defeated by clocking them to take out rotational slop, then they can bind. > The whole trick to good control is to mimic the pitch servos > response to the A/C's control/altitude changes and with my > S-Tec 50 it has been a battle. For the most part it is too > sensitive, maintaining absolute altitude control to the foot > (almost) but yanking us humans up and down rather uncomfortably. I wonder whether the stiffness of the servo has defeated the bob weight's damping effect? The bob weight acts to both increase static stick force per G, and also to dynamically oppose transient turbulence bumps. If the servo connection to the elevator pushrod is too stiff, it might be preventing the bob weight from deflecting the elevator to (partially) neutralize turbulence. I think the bob weight is largely responsible for the much smoother ride in the Lancair 235/320/360 than in a Glasair. Of course there are other differences as well. You might try adding some spring to the servo control rod portion of the system. Some care should be taken to insure that the spring/bob weight resonance is not near the frequency response limit of the autopilot. Obviously this should be well-tested below Va before venturing to higher speeds with the autopilot engaged. BTW, the S-Tec 50 has internal accelerometers for "short term pitch axis stabilization". That would also interact with the bob weight and any springiness in the system.