X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:48:07 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.61] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.9) with ESMTP id 2102053 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:25:13 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.61; envelope-from=rtitsworth@mindspring.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=H2qPaNg/VONFkeM5SxWy0cyhxZZF2Q+lga6jd4csEqNasjKH4MUxQjQf31PI2Gdc; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [72.245.37.16] (helo=RDTVAIO) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HyoNP-0001SH-Pi for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:24:36 -0400 From: "rtitsworth" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Boost switch X-Original-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:24:23 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <016101c7ae7e$f0fdb6a0$84affea9@RDTVAIO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AceuRKaiWkPyY1e1RO+gMzUCT1ROJQAMcH7A X-ELNK-Trace: b17f11247b2ac8f0a79dc4b33984cbaa0a9da525759e2654c3b8bebf5c8911d0320a6785332c30af666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 72.245.37.16 -----Original Message----- > From: Lancair Mailing List On Behalf Of bob mackey > Hmmm... flipping on the boost pump causes fuel flow to increase by > 4-5 gph? And *your* engine didn't quit *this time*? Good thing it was >lean enough to tolerate that extra gulp of gasoline...(snip) "Lean" is a condition where the mixture is less than stochimetric (i.e. LOP). I doubt that was the case during Jeff's test given the particular question at hand (Jeff pls confirm). Calling a rich mixture "lean" when it is really just "less rich" than some other "richer" mixture can be misleading and/or interpreted by some as even technically incorrect. I know many back yard mechanics will say "lean 'er out", when they really just mean "make it less rich" - but that doesn't make it correct and/or descriptively helpful. Bob, I doubt your real intent here is to add confusion. I'm also a bit confused in your "*this time*" comment? Are you implying that you expect/suspect the results to change if the same test is repeated again (and/or many times)? Do you have any thoughts/assumptions as to the source of the non-repeatability (short of an explicit component failure)? Jeff's test seems to show that the TCM fuel system works well (if setup correctly) and is even tolerant of potentially incorrectly applied high boost, (at least within the range of his test conditions). Jeff, can you pls share your test conditions i.e. density altitude, power settings, etc and re-confirm your normal fuel flow set points. Bob, is your point that the TCM fuel system is poorly designed (or unsafe) because it doesn't work well if it is set up incorrectly (i.e. outside factory specs/range)? That point might be valid in the context of highlighting the importance of the correct setup/adjustment. However, I fail to see the connection with assuming/concluding it's a bad design. Correct setup/assembly applies to many (most) items on these machines and does not therefore pre-suppose a bad, nor unsafe design. Same applies to Lycosorus, etc. Generally, it would be ideal to have a system that didn't require any setup/adjustment/calibration ever (and also had few parts and fewer potential failure modes). However, those goals are often mutually exclusive. Lindburgh himself demonstrated the elegance/success of the simplicity based design strategy. I suppose modern jetliners demonstrate the safety of a redundancy/complexity/automation oriented design strategy. However, both strategies/designs have lead to occasional failures with fatal outcomes. Tradeoffs,tradeoffs. You are of course free to fly behind whatever you like. But, throwing out innuendo without the associated facts, clarity, and/or remedies and/or implying that others who don't share your "feelings/opinions" are unsafe and/or uninformed actually confuses the point more than it helps. Imho, Rick