X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 22:34:30 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from global.delionsden.com ([66.150.29.112] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.9) with ESMTPS id 2080922 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 20:10:10 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.150.29.112; envelope-from=n103md@yahoo.com Received: from bmackey by global.delionsden.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Hudf2-0005ae-F4 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 20:09:32 -0400 Received: from 69.12.132.145 ([69.12.132.145]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user bmackey) by www.bmackey.com with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:09:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Message-ID: <1213.69.12.132.145.1180829372.squirrel@www.bmackey.com> X-Original-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Detonation & pre-ignition From: "bob mackey" X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - global.delionsden.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lancaironline.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32015 2012] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Paul Lipps quoted.... > "An engine that is making O.5 HP/in^3 or less can sustain moderate levels > of of detonation without any damage; but an engine that is making > 1.5HP/in^3, if it detonates, it will probably be damaged fairly > quickly...within minutes."* In my racing engine experience, at 5.7 HP/in^3, pinging (which I think was initially detonation) takes between 1 and 2 seconds to blow the piston crown into the crankcase. That was on a 2-stroke engine turning about 12K rpm, so each second is 200 power cycles. When I killed the engine after just one or two pings, there was no apparent damage. If it pinged for a second, the piston crown was cratered. Any longer than that and a significant portion of the piston crown was in the crankcase. Probably what happened is that detonation created hotspots that triggered pre-ignition. In a 2-stroke, especially at high RPM, there is much less time to cool any hotspots left from the power stroke. Also, these engines were never operated lean of peak. The specific fuel consumption was about 1.0 lb/hp-hr. TBO was about 2-3 hours. The spark timing was in the 25 deg range, but the latency was much shorter than in a straight gasoline engine thanks to fuel additives like propylene oxide and nitromethane. The specifics were very different from our aircraft engines, but the principles are still the same. -bob