Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #42453
From: Paul Lipps <elippse@sbcglobal.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Detonation & pre-ignition
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 16:46:20 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
I'm having a little problem here in how the words "detonation" and "pre-ignition" are sometimes used. I am of the understanding that detonation refers to a spark-triggered event in which the air-fuel had a more-than-even or explosive combustion take place resulting in the "ping" we hear in our cars. Pre-ignition, as the name implies, is where combustion is triggered by some source earlier than the normal spark event. As I have read, "detonation can cause mechanical damage such as broken ring lands, abrasive pitting of the piston crown, and overheating.* "Detonation is not necessarily destructive"*, and "An engine that is making O.5 HP/in^3 or less can sustain moderate levels of of detonation without any damage; but an engine that is making 1.5HP/in^3, if it detonates, it will probably be damaged fairly quickly...within minutes."* "Detonation will actually cause EGTs to drop."* "...most engines will live with a fairly high level of detonation for some period of time. It is not an instantaneous type of failure."*
"There are no engines that will live for any period of time when pre-ignition occurs. When people see broken ring lands they mistakenly blame it on on pre-ignition and overlook the hammering from detonation that caused the problem. A hole in the middle of the piston, particularly a melted hole in the middle of the piston, is due to the extreme heat and pressure of pre-ignition."* "...the most likely point for pre-ignition to occur is 180 BTDC, some 160 degrees before the spark plug would have fired because that's the point (if there is a glowing ember in the chamber) when it's most likely ignited. We are talking some 160-180 degrees of burn being compressed that would normally be relatively cool. A piston will only take a few revolutions of that distress before it fails. As for detonation, it can get hammered-on for seconds, minutes, or hours depending on the output of the engine and load, before any damage occurs. Pre-ignition damage is almost instantaneous."*
*These quotes are taken from an article by GM Staff Engineer Allen W. Cline appearing in Contact! magazine issue #54. Those who would care to read the whole article with much more on the subject than what I have conveyed here should go to www.contactmagazine.com  and order reprints of this issue.
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