If it is mounted to the firewall and if
the grounding is through the npt threads, then is the ground path through the
hose/fittings???
Perhaps the fittings are sufficiently
dirty/cruddy to provide a poor ground?
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net]
On Behalf Of Jeffrey Liegner, MD
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Saturday, May 26, 2007 8:22 AM
To:
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Subject:
[LML] Re: LIVP Oil Pressure Question
(TSIO550E)...Fluctuations Noted
Perhaps the rigged grounding wire to the engine (at one aft
outcropping) was insufficient. A solid ground to a terminal post would be
sensible.
The transducer is a "single wire standard ground" VDO 150 psi
Oil pressure Sender obtained from Grand
Rapids for the Chelton EAU. It obtains its
ground through the NPT threads (supposedly).
http://usa.siemensvdo.com/products_solutions/marine/marine-instruments/ocean-line-engine-monitoring/sensors-and-senders/pressure-sender/individual-pressure-senders/Individual-Pressure-Senders.htm
0-150 PSI 1/8-27 NPT 29/12
360 00
"Please note: VDO senders have tapered threads. DO NOT use
teflon tape or pipe sealant. This will interfere with grounding.
"
It is mounted on the firewall via an insulated (rubber grommet) Adell
clamp, so no grounding through the metal sensor casing.
The engine is brand new. Not a reman.
No apparent pinpoint leaks based on a number of hours of clean
operation.
I will pursue sensor grounding as the priority issue.
Then examine the oil pressure range (30-60psi).
Appreciating everyone's input.
My first suspicion would be an electrical problem with or
around the oil pressure sensor. You mentioned that you rigged a ground
wire. Depeding on how it's hooked up it may or may not affect the
problem. I've seen some engine sensors read erratically because of where
the ground lead from the engine interface box (the box all of the engine
sensors are wired to) was physically attached. The problem may
affect multiple sensors, or only one. For example on a Legacy using a JPI
engine monitor the installation manual said to attach the ground wire from the
engine interace box to the engine block. We first tried an unused
stud (it was real convenient) on the back of the engine where the
vacuum pump would be, if it had a vacuum pump. The tach reading jumped
all over the place. We removed the ground wire from that stud and
attached it to the large ground stud running through the firewall to the
engine. The tach worked fine after that. After thinking about it I
suspect attaching the ground wire to the vacuum pump pad created a
secondary return path from the engine back to the rest of the system that
was in parallel with the primary return path (a "ground loop").
Bad.
What type of oil pressure sensor do you have? Is it a
4-wire sensor? A 3-wire sensor? Single wire sensor? If it's a
multi-wire sensor does its ground wire run back to the engine interface
box? If it's a single-wire sensor, and the sensor case isn't attached to
the engine, then the case of the sensor should probably have a wire running
back to the same ground as the engine interface box. Does the
installation manual specify how to ground the sensor?
Tom Gourley
Hello Jeff-
A
few WAGS:
Do the connectors have a wire sleeve and are they
crimped with a ratchet crimper? I had a fluctuating EI fuel pressure gauge and
the shop had used automotive crimpers. I recrimped or replaced the connectors
and the problem went away.
Is the engine new as opposed to reman? I bought a new
replacement engine from TCM and discovered the seat for the pressure relief was
rough. It had to be faced with a hand tool supplied by the tech rep. If it was
a reman I think the odds are against that having gone unnoticed in previous
runs.
I have an aerobatic Continental IO-360 in my Chipmunk.
When I bought the plane the oil pressure would be stable when cold but
fluctuate erractically when hot. I did a lot of of testing looking
for a correlation to power settings, tried adjusting the pressure relief,
even changed the spring and plunger; no good. En route to OSH the pressure dipped to 0 briefly then
came back up. Quick landing, fiddle with the relief, ground run was fine. A
while later in cruise it happened again. Landed, replaced the engine with new.
On test flight, the SAME fluctuations! Refacing the seat didn't help (see
above). TCM didn't know what to do. Turns out it was cavitation- the Christen
valve and hoses used for Lycomings (-10) is too small for the
Continental. At cruise settings there just wasn't enough oil getting to the
pump. The engine was originally used for a military trainer down under-
the manufacturer discovered they had to make their own valve
body with -16 fittings. That solved my problem. Do the fluctuations
go away at lower RPM settings? If so there might be a restriction in the
pump supply.
The TSIO-550 Overhaul Manual shows that the pump
body is sealed with silk thread. I know nothing about it but if
there was a pinhole leak in the right area?
I think the mechanical gauge makes sense as a
check but it's another hole to seal for pressurization. -Bill
Wade