X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 64 [XX] (100%) OBFUSCATED_WORD1_MONEY Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:37:54 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.6] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.7) with ESMTP id 1952231 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:48:11 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.6; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.10.) id q.c36.d39ff82 (43930) for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:47:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:47:10 EDT Subject: Re: [LML] Re: FreeFlight X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1175269630" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5361 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1175269630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/30/2007 9:45:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time, douglasbrunner@earthlink.net writes: I fly a lot of IFR in my Mooney Ovation. My Mooney has a dual Garmin 430 panel that has not been upgraded to WAAS. I file /G and do GPS approaches, but obviously am not able to do the new LPV approaches without the WAAS upgrade. I also navigate using my GPS rather than VORs (although in my prior plane I used VORs) I understood that the FreeFlight would not allow me to do LPV approaches but thought that I could do standard GPS approaches and navigate using GPS rather than VORs. I would not like to take a step back to having to navigate using VORs and giving up the ability to file /G and do GPS approaches. I will have a Garmin SL-30 Nav/Com in my plane. Is the FreeFlight "SIL" just another CYA or attempt to get us to upgrade to the 1201 (or Chelton) or will I need to revert to using VORs? Am I missing something? Doug, Yes. Even though one could file /G with a GPS with RAIM, one still had to obey Far 91.205(d)(2) - to paraphrase: 2-way radio and navigation equipment appropriate to the ground facilities to be used. What that means is TSO'd GPS is usable as for navigation in a radar environment (appropriate ground equipment), but not as a primary in non radar environments - in the mountains - thus, one must have had VOR nav capabilities. TSO'd GPS with WAAS is sufficient as a stand-alone navigation system so that it may be used as a primary navigation system in any environment. Both GPS systems allow one to file /G, defined as GNSS, including GPS or WAAS, with en route and terminal facility. If by "Free Flight" you mean reduced vertical separation, that is a whole other story. Enjoy your reading. If you have the patience, read the the AIM navigation section 1-1-19 GPS in the 2007 FAR/AIM publication. Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96 Aurora, IL (KARR) Darwinian culling phrase: Watch This! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1175269630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 3/30/2007 9:45:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 douglasbrunner@earthlink.net writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>

I fly a lot of IFR in my Mooney=20 Ovation. My Mooney has a dual Garmin 430 panel that has=20 not been upgraded to WAAS. I file /G and do GPS approaches, b= ut=20 obviously am not able to do the new LPV approaches without the WAAS=20 upgrade. I also navigate using my GPS rather than VORs (although in=20= my=20 prior plane I used VORs)

I understood that the FreeFlight would not=20 allow me to do LPV approaches but thought that I could do standard GPS=20 approaches and navigate using GPS rather than VORs. I would not like= to=20 take a step back to having to navigate using VORs and giving up the abilit= y to=20 file /G and do GPS approaches. I will have a Garmin SL-30 Nav/Com in= my=20 plane.

Is the FreeFlight "SIL" just another CYA=20= or=20 attempt to get us to upgrade to the 1201 (or Chelton) or will I need=20= to=20 revert to using VORs? Am I missing=20 something?

Doug,

Yes. Even though one could file /G with a GPS with RAIM, one stil= l=20 had to obey Far 91.205(d)(2) - to paraphrase: 2-way radio and navigation=20 equipment appropriate to the ground facilities to be used. What= =20 that means is TSO'd GPS is usable as for navigation in a radar environm= ent=20 (appropriate ground equipment), but not as a primary in non radar environmen= ts -=20 in the mountains - thus, one must have had VOR nav capabilities.

TSO'd GPS with WAAS is sufficient as a stand-alone navigation system so= =20 that it may be used as a primary navigation system in any environment.

Both GPS systems allow one to file /G, defined as GNSS, including GPS o= r=20 WAAS, with en route and terminal facility.

If by "Free Flight" you mean reduced vertical separation, that is a who= le=20 other story. Enjoy your reading.

If you have the patience, read the the AIM navigation section 1-1-= 19=20 GPS in the 2007 FAR/AIM publication.=20

Scott Krueger=20 AKA Grayhawk
Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96
Aurora, IL=20 (KARR)

Darwinian culling phrase: Watch=20 This!

See wha= t's free at AOL.co= m.

-------------------------------1175269630--