X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 2 [X] Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:37:04 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail804.megamailservers.com ([69.49.106.14] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.7) with ESMTPS id 1952191 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:46:59 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.49.106.14; envelope-from=jhk@clearwire.net X-POP-User: jhk.clearwire.net Received: from hoben59c2e82ed (74-61-136-213.bel.clearwire-dns.net [74.61.136.213]) by mail804.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id l2UFk9Sb024860 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:46:10 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <000701c773ab$bad101d0$0201a8c0@hoben59c2e82ed> From: "James H. Keyworth" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: Thielert Diesels - aircraft X-Original-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 08:46:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C77371.0D4828C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Disposition-Notification-To: "James H. Keyworth" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C77371.0D4828C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gang, I wrote Thielert about the feasibility of installing their engine in an experimental aircraft - specifically a Legacy. The reply: Dear Mr. Keyworth, Thank you for your interest in the CENTURION aircraft engines product range. Currently we do offer the CENTURION 2.0 (135 PS) engine and the CENTURION 4.0 (350 PS). Whereas the CENTURION 2.0 (135 PS) can be fuelled with either Diesel or Jet A1, the stronger CENTURION 4.0 is a pure Jet fuel engine. Today the CENTURION 2.0 (135 PS) holds an EASA and an FAA type-certificate. Our new CENTURION 4.0 is EASA type certificated and we are presently working on the FAA certificate. See our general brochure: http://www.thielert.com/download/prospekt_retrofit_en.pdf (8MB) The CENTURION 2.0 (135 PS) engine offers - in comparison to the original engines of the Cessna 172 and Piper 28 series - many advantages concerning the safety, comfort, performance and fuel efficiency. Especially the enormous profitability of our engine is due to the significant lower fuel consumption with the cheaper Diesel or Jet A1 fuel. We do offer Retrofit-Kits for a variety of models from the Cessna 172 and Piper PA 28 series. Each Kit includes: New engine mount, engine, reduction gear, turbocharger, starter, alternator, cooling system, prop governor, vacuum pump, single lever control selector, FADEC, engine instruments, wiring harness and a new MT-variable pitch propeller. The same benefits basically will be offered by the CENTURION 4.0 Jet Fuel engine: The engine will be single lever controlled through our FADEC (Full Authority Digital Engine Control). Max power of 350 PS(DIN 15°C) will be available for 5 minutes; propeller 2.300 RPM. Full HP will be available up to approximately 12.000 ft. Max continuous power will be appr. 330 PS(DIN 15°C); propeller 2.300 RPM. At 18.000 ft we estimate approx. continuous 290 PS(DIN 15°C). At FL 240 we estimate approx. continuous 250 PS(DIN 15°C). Certified service ceiling is FL 250. For the cabin pressurization a separate compressor, driven by our accessory gear, will be available. Full power (350 PS DIN 15°C) fuel consumption at sea level = roughly 20.1 gallons per hour Best Economy (60 % rated power - 210 PS DIN 15°C) = estimated 11.0 gallons per hour We currently estimate the weight of the CENTURION 4.0 complete & dry including the gearbox, starter, alternator, harness and FADEC depending on the installation, at 620 lbs. As mentioned, until today Thielert Aircraft Engines has developed Retrofit-Kits for the Cessna 172 and PA 28 series with our smaller CENTURION 2.0 (135 PS) engine. Our engines show a different complexity and have a highly sophisticated electrical system, which requires an installation according to regulations and procedures as you find in certified aircraft. Thus, we cannot offer the CENTURION engines for experimental/Kit installations. [Emphasis mine] If you do have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact me. Sincerely Wolfgang Biereth _______________________________________ THIELERT AIRCRAFT ENGINES GMBH Wolfgang Biereth Sales Tel.: +49 (37204) 696 57 Fax: +49 (37204) 696 50 E-Mail: wolfgang.biereth@thielert.com ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C77371.0D4828C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gang,
 
I wrote Thielert about the feasibility of installing their engine = in an=20 experimental aircraft - specifically a Legacy.  The reply:
 
 
Dear Mr. Keyworth,
 
Thank you for your interest in the = CENTURION=20 aircraft engines product range.  Currently we do offer the = CENTURION 2.0=20 (135 PS) engine and the CENTURION 4.0 (350 PS).
 
Whereas the CENTURION 2.0 (135 PS) can = be fuelled=20 with either Diesel or Jet A1, the stronger CENTURION 4.0 is a pure Jet = fuel=20 engine.  Today the CENTURION 2.0 (135 PS) holds an EASA and an FAA=20 type-certificate.  Our new CENTURION 4.0 is EASA type certificated = and we=20 are presently working on the FAA certificate.
 
See our general brochure: http:/= /www.thielert.com/download/prospekt_retrofit_en.pdf=20 (8MB)
 
The CENTURION 2.0 (135 PS) engine = offers - in=20 comparison to the original engines of the Cessna 172 and Piper 28 series = - many=20 advantages concerning the safety, comfort, performance and fuel=20 efficiency.  Especially the enormous profitability of our engine is = due to=20 the significant lower fuel consumption with the cheaper Diesel or Jet A1 = fuel.
 
We do offer Retrofit-Kits for a variety = of models=20 from the Cessna 172 and Piper PA 28 series.  Each Kit includes: New = engine=20 mount, engine, reduction gear, turbocharger, starter, alternator, = cooling=20 system, prop governor, vacuum pump, single lever control selector, = FADEC, engine=20 instruments, wiring harness and a new MT-variable pitch = propeller.
 
The same benefits basically will be = offered by the=20 CENTURION 4.0 Jet Fuel engine:
 
The engine will be single lever = controlled through=20 our FADEC (Full Authority Digital Engine Control).
 
Max power of 350 PS(DIN 15=B0C) will be = available for=20 5 minutes; propeller 2.300 RPM.
 
Full HP will be available up to = approximately=20 12.000 ft.
 
Max continuous power will be appr. 330 = PS(DIN=20 15=B0C); propeller 2.300 RPM.
 
At 18.000 ft we estimate approx. = continuous 290=20 PS(DIN 15=B0C).
 
At FL 240 we estimate approx. = continuous 250 PS(DIN=20 15=B0C).
 
Certified service ceiling is FL = 250.
 
For the cabin pressurization a separate = compressor,=20 driven by our accessory gear, will be available.
 
Full power (350 PS DIN 15=B0C) fuel = consumption at=20 sea level =3D roughly 20.1 gallons per hour Best Economy (60 % rated = power - 210=20 PS DIN 15=B0C) =3D estimated 11.0 gallons per hour
 
We currently estimate the weight of the = CENTURION=20 4.0 complete & dry including the gearbox, starter, alternator, = harness and=20 FADEC depending on the installation, at 620 lbs.
 
As mentioned, until today Thielert = Aircraft Engines=20 has developed Retrofit-Kits for the Cessna 172 and PA 28 series with our = smaller=20 CENTURION 2.0 (135 PS) engine.
 
Our engines show a different complexity = and have a=20 highly sophisticated electrical system, which requires an installation = according=20 to regulations and procedures as you find in certified aircraft.  = Thus, we cannot offer the CENTURION engines = for=20 experimental/Kit installations.  [Emphasis mine]
 
If you do have any further questions, = please do not=20 hesitate to contact me.
 
Sincerely
 
Wolfgang=20 Biereth
_______________________________________
 
THIELERT AIRCRAFT ENGINES = GMBH
 
Wolfgang Biereth
Sales
Tel.: +49 = (37204) 696=20 57
Fax: +49 (37204) 696 50
E-Mail: wolfgang.biereth@thielert.c= om
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