X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 30 [X] Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:17:47 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from global.delionsden.com ([66.150.29.112] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.7) with ESMTPS id 1935310 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:05:56 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.150.29.112; envelope-from=n103md@yahoo.com Received: from bmackey by global.delionsden.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HU73M-00073o-TK for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:05:00 -0500 Received: from 12.146.139.19 ([12.146.139.19]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user bmackey) by www.bmackey.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:05:00 -0800 (PST) X-Original-Message-ID: <26497.12.146.139.19.1174507500.squirrel@www.bmackey.com> X-Original-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:05:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Proud control surfaces From: "bob mackey" X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - global.delionsden.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lancaironline.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32015 2012] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Darrl Bretag asks... > when the manual calls for 0.050 gap between top skin and aileron and > 0.050 gap between bottom skin and aileron and 0.050 gap between top skin > and top of flap and ( the factory are know saying the bottom skin can be > extended straight back to the bottom of the flap with a 0.050 gap as well) > HOW much leakage through these gaps is going to > > - slow the aircraft down ? ---- % --- or loss in air speed, Well, I'm not going to do the calculation (or the experiment) for you, but I'll offer some hints on how you can figure it out for yourself. First, how much power is consumed by air flowing through the gaps? From the airfoil design, determine the pressure distribution and the pressure difference between upper and lower gaps. Given the viscosity of air and the size of the gaps, what volume flow rate passes through the gaps at that pressure difference? Energy = Pressure * Volume Power = Pressure * Volume/time That's how much power is lost to the leakage itself. Second, as the flow exits on the top surface, how much drag does that add? The flow exits the gap with approximately zero velocity towards the rear of the wing. It collides with the air flowing over the top surface. The slow air gets accelerated. The fast air gets decelerated. When you mix fast and slow, momentum is conserved exactly, but some of the kinetic energy is lost to turbulence or entropy. The boundary layer is thickened, meaning that the airfoil is now dragging more air along with it. More of the airplane's energy is left behind in the disturbed flow field. So... how much energy is that? The calculation to figure out how much energy is lost when mixing fast and slow is not difficult. The calculation to determine how much the boundary layer thickens is much harder. As a first guess, I'd take the first calculation and double it. Oh, and then double it again because the air that flowed through the gap came from the fast stream on the bottom of the wing. Each gram of air in the gap had to be decelerated, leaked through the gap, then re-accelerated, losing energy at each step. The drag reduction associated with gap seals can also be measured experimentally with the use of a drag rake as pioneered by Dick Johnson on sailplanes. For more on that, Google "drag rake dick johnson". > what improvement would a 0.025 give us ? -- % Consider that part of your homework assignment :-) > what improvement would a 0.005 give us ? -- % Consider that another part of your homework assignment :-) > If we had a 0.005 gap all-round and had the 0.040 proud aileron > leading edge what do you think the efficiency gain would be ?????? ? If any And is it worth all the effort. How much does that 0.005" gap change when the wing bends under a 4G load? What would happen if your ailerons jammed during a steep turn? I think a 0.050" gap is perfectly reasonable given the construction techniques in a Lancair, the chances of frost, bug guts, and rag fibers getting in the gap. It's also easy to sand a uniform 0.050" gap with a popsickle stick :-) > And should we be looking at the flap leading edge too , > ( standing proud above top skin ). An air molecule can't tell the difference between a flap and an aileron. Both want to keep the flow attached at extreme deflections, so both should probably be well-rounded and slightly proud of the forward surface.