X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 30 [X] Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:48:55 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from global.delionsden.com ([66.150.29.112] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.7) with ESMTPS id 1909966 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:04:51 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.150.29.112; envelope-from=n103md@yahoo.com Received: from bmackey by global.delionsden.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HPPm7-0004zg-TY for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:03:47 -0500 Received: from 12.146.139.19 ([12.146.139.19]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user bmackey) by www.bmackey.com with HTTP; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:03:47 -0800 (PST) X-Original-Message-ID: <50926.12.146.139.19.1173387827.squirrel@www.bmackey.com> X-Original-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:03:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: LNC2 flap mod From: "bob mackey" X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - global.delionsden.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lancaironline.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32015 2012] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Marv considers Fowler flaps for an LNC2: > It occurred to me that semi-fowler flaps on an LNC2 instead of the > present rotating, hinged flaps might be a worthwhile modification. ... > Have any of you attempted this mod or given it any serious thought? > I'd sure like to get some input before committing to it. Mark says: > I'd be happy to have Legacy flaps if I could have Legacy wings too. > (maybe I should just get a Legacy) :) Marv: I think Mark hits this nail on the head. At first glance, it might be nice to have the greater lifting area and coefficient of lift (Cl) associated with Fowler flaps. It might seem that simply lowering the hinge point would do the trick. In going from the 235 to the 320/360, the hinge point is lowered from the top skin to the lower skin. In the Legacy the hinge point drops another 4-5 inches. When you look into the Legacy wing you'll also see some other changes: larger bond areas, stiffer skins, heavier ribs. Notice the Legacy's drag spar -- much stiffer than the LNC2's. Even heavier areas around the flap hinge mounts. Also notice that the airfoil is different, and the tail is bigger and on a longer boom. All those changes are there in part to accommodate the greater torsional loads from the Fowler flap design. The deeper camber with the Fowler flaps requires a different pressure distribution on the top of the wing to be effective. The deeper downwash behind the wing changes the airflow at the tail. The more effective flaps move the center of lift aft, further increasing the tail loading. Perhaps those effects contributed to Greg Cole's decision to put the tail where it is on the Legacy. You wouldn't want to learn on your test flight that lowering the flaps causes the tail to stall as you approach full up elevator. I'm not saying that Fowler flaps for a 320/360 is a bad idea, but there are quite a few ramifications to consider. At the very least I would want to build and test a model (real or computed) to determine how the new airfoil would work, and what loads it would impose on the airframe. A structural engineering model (real or computed) should be tested to determine what changes would be needed to carry those loads. The new load and angle of attack requirements for the horizontal tail would be estimated from a tufted model or 3D-CFD calculation and re-engineered. Then the new design should be re-analyzed for aeroelastic (flutter) effects. Finally, the real airframe should be load tested on the ground to see if the new design achieved it's modeled stiffness and strength. Again, I'm not saying it is a bad idea, but it would definitely be earning the "experimental" badge. This one appears to have the hinge lowered an inch or so below the bottom skin. http://www.aoaircrafters.com/lancair360.asp I'm curious what they did to transfer loads into the new hinge points.