X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 30 [X] Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 15:43:01 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail.stoel.com ([198.36.178.142] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.4) with SMTP id 1712066 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 15:42:09 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=198.36.178.142; envelope-from=JJHALLE@stoel.com Received: from gateway1.stoel.com ([198.36.178.141]) by mail.stoel.com (SMSSMTP 4.1.9.35) with SMTP id M2006122412411326249 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 12:41:13 -0800 Received: from PDX-SMTP.stoel.com (unknown [172.16.103.137]) by gateway1.stoel.com (Firewall Mailer Daemon) with ESMTP id 1F7A0AF058 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 12:40:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from PDX-MX6.stoel.com ([172.16.103.64]) by PDX-SMTP.stoel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 24 Dec 2006 12:41:13 -0800 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: The dog ate my EFIS X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 X-Original-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 12:41:13 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: <17E9FE5945A57A41B4D8C07737DB607203891DD6@PDX-MX6.stoel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: The dog ate my EFIS thread-index: AccnS0RrsDdgqvj+QK+rdtcJLzHoOQAS0UXQ From: "Halle, John" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2006 20:41:13.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA182CA0:01C7279B] I was saddened to hear of the end of D2A -- for Kirk, Amy and the rest of the crowd, for everyone who took the plunge with them and ordered their product and for the industry generally, which lost an innovative player. Then I saw Brent's post and have been torn between suggesting that he get professional help and asking him to send me a lid or two of whatever that stuff is. D2A, like most small companies, took on the character of its founder and therefore existed on a generous allotment of optimism, a valuable commodity for getting companies started but less valuable for running them successfully. The venture was risky from the start and it turns out that, like the great majority of new businesses, this one did not finally work out. Too bad -- it was a noble experiment and opened up doors that others will find it easier to walk through because of D2A. That said, the claim that D2A fell victim to a well-organized and financed plot to do it in is, quite frankly, paranoid (in the clinical sense.) As one who advises public companies in order to pay the fuel bills, I can assure those who are worried about Gramin's ultimate future that it is highly unlikely that its stockholders will force management to resign as a result of its foray into experimental avionics. The cost of the effort, whether successful or not, is unlikely to be even a blip on Garmin's P&L. They are a big company. On the other hand, as a one-time upstart in a market full of establised giants (with the certification barrier to competition promising that no effort to deal with potential competitors was necessary)Garmin has reason to understand what happens when you leave the back door open. Remember King and Narco? AT&T? With experimental growing fast as a category, it would be foolhardy for Garmin not to take advantage of the ability to beta test new technologies before certification. I assume their current offering is simply a first step. Then, of course, there is the Crossbow/Advanced Flight Systems "plot". It is hard to address with any level of gravity such a fantasy but, for the record: The 42X was tested better than most experimental products. Notwithstanding that testing, it turned out that the product had some glitches in some installations (but not all -- mine never had the problem.) When the matter came to their attention, Crossbow addressed it seriously, identified and fixed the problem and stood behind its products by providing free upgrades. At all times during this difficult process, Crossbow was serious, accurate in its public statements and easily available to customers with questions. Contrasted with the comparable statements of D2A/Pinpoint, this attitude appears both professional and refreshing. To the best of my knowledge, AFS is preparing to offer an EFIS, although my understanding is that it will not be a Chelton clone and will not have some of its features. In offering the EFIS, it is working with Crossbow as the leading AHRS manufacutrer in the world. The concept that there is something wrong, or unamerican about that is a bit mind-boggling especially for someone who seems, for other purposes, to be an advocate of freedom generally and a free market in particular. As builders of experimental aircraft, we do all believe in freedom, don't we? Brent claims, after checking with Chelton to have a considerable amount of information as to what Chelton will or won't do to support former D2A customers. It is therefore stunning to read Chelton's actual statement (which it says is the only statement that should be relied on while prohibiting its employees from making any other statement.) The actual statement says only that Chelton has terminated D2A as a distributor, that it has no outstanding orders from D2A (which should come as news to a bunch of builders and pilots who were led to believe otherwise) and disclaims any responsibility for D2A's customers. This is a sad situation for a lot of people. It is not made better by making up fairy tails about the wicked witch of the west and the grintch.