Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
To: lml
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 00:45:09 -0500
Message-ID: <redirect-1637050@logan.com>
Received-SPF: pass
 receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.78.61.124; envelope-from=johnwcox@pacificnw.com
Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Subject: RE: [LML] Re: FAA trying to stop us.
In-Reply-To: <list-725147@logan.com>
Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: FAA trying to stop us.
Thread-Index: AcW7wE1uybiXg3lqQT22iY55cSpQxFbo8P2w
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>

Rick, I was heartened to hear you were on the panel in reviewing the 51%
rule.  Any hope of curtailment of custom build shops who build all of it
for a single lump sum payment?

Any hope that much of the repetitive work can be subcontracted out as
long as the new tasks on the revised list are complied with?

Any chance that the DARs who sign multiple builds of the exact same make
and model to the same individual will cease. Or are they just slow
learners? There is a builder in Oklahoma who is on his ninth RV-10 for
end users.  VAN even sends out his kits to Bonanza Metalcrafters in the
Philippines Islands to help increase kit sales.

I want to see you succeed but understand the need for the Canadian
facility for EPIC.  Can you report on the committee's progress?

John Cox - Horizon Airline Maintenance Technician and both Lancair and
RV-10 builder


-----Original Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of
Rick Schrameck
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 12:45 PM
To: Lancair Mailing List
Subject: [LML] Re: FAA trying to stop us.

John,

You are not confused you got it right.

 Neither Joe nor Richard can expand or clarify only the FAA and EAA can=20
do it.  The FAA is right now going against the AC's provided by them and

the EAA regarding the way our aircraft are issued certificatees.

Rick


Marvin Kaye wrote:

> Posted for "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>:
>
>  Rick, I am wishing you the best on your efforts.  I am impressed with
>  Carl's latest project.  I however, continue to become more confused
with
>  the various twists and turns of this melodrama.
> =20
>  The consequences could indeed signal a clear course change in Amateur
>  Built FAA Approved Kits.  If you have not yet applied to be added to
>  that manufacturer list, please do and keep us informed.  If readers
do
>  not understand the TASK List, then this is most assuredly the time to
do
>  so. I for one think both Joe Bartels and Richard VanGrunsven should
>  press to expand and clarify the obsolete task list.  The Tasks list
is
>  obsolete, incomplete and not appropriate to the mission.  Several
>  posters are right that clearly required system tasks are not subject
to
>  the rule - like avionics, paint and engine build.  Maybe it needs to
be
>  renamed the 33% rule.
> =20
>  Every purchaser of a kit should have a clear vision of the path to
>  Experimental Certification - Amateur Built.  The options of Factory
>  Assist (Lancair - Redmond), Quick Build Alternate kit (P.I. Bonanza
>  Metalcrafters), Professional Assistance (seeking occasional and
>  documented support like Aerocrafters), education, or just writing a
big
>  check to a Professional Builder (hired gunslinger) to do it are all
>  separate events and various routes to the objective.  I see
tremendous
>  value in seeking alternate solutions to the objective. Safety will
>  certainly be increased. The final product quality and the proficiency
of
>  the "Builder" should be the objective.
> =20
>  The complexity, performance and consistency of said product has sure
>  improved in the last few years.  I am glad it has. I am hopeful the
EAA
>  is not in bed with the Seattle MIDO but will serve as an advocate for
>  the little guy. I want to continue to engage those with more
knowledge
>  and skill than I possess as I build an improved version of what used
to
>  be called Spam Cans.  I think the industry deserves on overhaul of
this
>  archaic and non appropriate list of tasks.
> =20
>  John Cox
> =20
>
> --=20
> For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/lml/
>


--
For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/lml/