X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:51:30 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from gateway1.stoel.com ([198.36.178.141] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.2) with ESMTP id 1568951 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:43:49 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=198.36.178.141; envelope-from=JJHALLE@stoel.com Received: from PDX-SMTP.stoel.com (unknown [172.16.103.137]) by gateway1.stoel.com (Firewall Mailer Daemon) with ESMTP id 023B0AF056 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:41:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from PDX-MX6.stoel.com ([172.16.103.64]) by PDX-SMTP.stoel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:43:20 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE:Down anywhere !! spinning X-Original-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:43:19 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: <17E9FE5945A57A41B4D8C07737DB607203891CA0@PDX-MX6.stoel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE:Down anywhere !! spinning Thread-Index: AccIpnxvOrWjfB+4Q1CubPcsJejERQANN8Vg From: "Halle, John" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2006 17:43:20.0031 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A0DE6F0:01C708DD] Part of the problem with spin recovery in Lancairs is that no one has much information about the spin recovery characteristics of any Lancair and the fact that they are built for performance (to say nothing of the fact that those in the best position to know have not ventured to spin them) suggests that they are not necessarily benign. In VMC, I would start with the standard spin recovery drill and if that did not work would try other things (e.g. trying various ways of getting the nose down and/or airspeed up.) At least for upright spins, it is pretty easy to figure out what direction you are spinning in and reasonably intuitive to do what the book says to do. In IMC, I think one has to realize that the situation is dire (a lot like engine out at night.) Since every airplane that I have ever spun will recover eventually if you just get your mitts off the controls, I think I would start with that. If that did not seem to be working, I would do my best with what I had available to try to determine spin direction. If I had nothing (which is not impossible) I would try one way but fairly gently and look for improvement. If there was none (or things seemed to be getting worse) I would try the other way. If none of that worked, I think I would just sit and wait for any break that would allow a visual assessment and go from there. Even a short break through a layer would provide a lot of information. On the theory about the ounce of prevention, however, I think the best defense against IMC spins is not to stall. There should be no reason, for example, in my Legacy to ever be under 120k in IMC. That is roughly twice dirty stall. I think anyone who lacks the ability to control a Legacy in IMC to ensure that, with a target airspeed of 120, the speed never falls below 70 should question what they are doing in IMC in the first place. In anticipation of the comment about severe turbulence, icing etc., I repeat the last sentence. John J. Halle Stoel Rives LLP 900 SW 5th Avenue Portland, Oregon 97204 (503) 294-9233 office (503 545-4307 cell