X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:52:53 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta9.adelphia.net ([68.168.78.199] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.3) with ESMTP id 1338784 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:12:51 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.168.78.199; envelope-from=glcasey@adelphia.net Received: from [70.34.70.106] by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060819141159.VGYF14558.mta9.adelphia.net@[70.34.70.106]> for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:11:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed X-Original-Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Gary Casey Subject: Re: Starter motors X-Original-Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 07:11:45 -0700 X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) The "electrical Magnets" to which Lorn refers imply that the motor is series-wound with starter current used to generate the field instead of using a permanent magnet(PM). The fundamental difference in the two is the shape of the torque/speed curve with the PM motor having a straight line from a finite torque at zero speed to a finite speed at zero torque. The torque curve of the series motor has essentially a hyperbolic shape that in theory goes to infinite torque at zero speed and infinite speed at zero torque (actually it never gets there because of other losses). The point is that series motors typically have more torque at stall, but perhaps less torque at mid-speed. PM motors work well in automotive applications since with their big batteries, short cables and small displacement the stall torque requirements aren't severe. However, to get our large displacement engines to get past the first compression stroke takes a lot of low- rpm toque. In order to get a PM motor to have enough stall torque they are usually designed so they draw more current (at stall - they are typically more efficient at high rpm) than a series motor. I switched to a PM starter on my 4-cylinder and it always had a hard time with the first compression, but if it got past the first couple of compression strokes it would spin the engine pretty fast. On my new 6-cylinder high-compression engine I used a B&C series-wound motor that weighs a couple of pounds more than the lightest PM starter. I could not be more impressed with the starter and I would highly recommend this starter to anyone with a Lycoming engine. I use mine without a separate starter contactor and just have a high- current pushbutton switch to control it - works perfect. Gary Casey ES # 157, N224SG "I replaced my original starter with a Sky-Tech with permanent magnets (the standard model). I also started using a B & C BC100-1 battery. The standard Sky-Tech uses a lot of starter current. The BC100-1 can supply it. I am very happy with the combination of starter and battery. I installed the battery in 2003 and in 2005 mistakenly left the master switch on for 7 days. I am still using the same battery. B & C also makes a light starter with electrical magnets. These magnets are supposed to last longer. Sky-Tech also makes a slightly more expensive model with the same magnets. Lorn