X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:47:31 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [64.12.137.4] (HELO imo-m23.mail.aol.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.2) with ESMTP id 1238495 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:44:45 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.4; envelope-from=VTAILJEFF@aol.com Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id q.32e.7cfa088 (58435) for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:43:53 -0400 (EDT) From: VTAILJEFF@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <32e.7cfa088.31eaf3d9@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:43:53 EDT Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Hmmm X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1153014233" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5026 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1153014233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/15/2006 10:17:01 AM Central Standard Time, marv@lancaironline.net writes: All pilots are pretty good, just as all drivers are pretty good. We need to cut them a little slack, like we do drivers, who are also us, and who handle amazing complexity, without someone telling them 'Okay, you can pull out into traffic now; and you gan climb that hill, and you can turn onto I-70..." And they do it with an acceptable lev el of safety, and without medicals every two years. Terrence, Drivers are safe? Over 40,000 people are killed on our roads every year. Over a million are seriously injured. GA Pilots are safe? Part 91 flying is 25 time more hazardous that Part 121. Let's sit at the end of Runway 27 and watch and listen. Heck, some pilots don't even bother to read the NOTAM before flying to OSH. Some don't even know what a NOTAM is. Come to Oshkosh and sit down with me and let's go over the Lancair accident statistics. You show me where the airplane let down the pilot, versus where the pilot let down the airplane. Be at the Lancair Forum at 1730 Thursday. Airplanes have been improved immensely in the last ten years or so. I have EFIS screens with moving map, datalink weather, a bitching betty telling me when I get too close to stall. Sterling Ainsworth had that and a turbine powered airplane.. but he flew into convective activity because he did not pay for the Canadian WSI subscription, iced up his pitot tube (which most likely had pitot heat off) and put the aircraft into a full power dive until the tail departed. How much safer could his airplane been designed? He purposely flew an airplane into conditions he knew before hand were hazardous-- did it anyway and somehow this kind of accident is the airplane's fault? I call it "free will." Cirrus's have a ballistic parachutes yet pilots still fail to pull the handle when they should. Too late, too fast, out of the envelope--fatal and this is the airplanes fault? Of course everything could be better with future techology -- but we ain't got it today and even if we did you can't force everyone to run out and buy it. There will still be someone 100 years from today flying a J-3 Cub to Oshkosh and they will still be flying the Ford trimotor there. I hope to be there. Regards, Jeff -------------------------------1153014233 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/15/2006 10:17:01 AM Central Standard Time,=20 marv@lancaironline.net writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>All=20 pilots are
pretty good, just as all drivers are pretty good.  We n= eed=20 to cut them a
little slack, like we do drivers, who are also us, and wh= o=20 handle amazing
complexity, without someone telling them 'Okay, you can=20= pull=20 out into traffic
now; and you gan climb that hill, and you can  tu= rn=20 onto I-70..."  And they do
it with an acceptable lev el of safety,= and=20 without medicals every two years.
Terrence,
 
Drivers are safe? Over 40,000 people are killed on our roads every year= .=20 Over a million are seriously injured. GA Pilots are safe? Part 91 flying is=20= 25=20 time more hazardous that Part 121. Let's sit at the end of Runway 27 and wat= ch=20 and listen. Heck, some pilots don't even bother to read the NOTAM before fly= ing=20 to OSH. Some don't even know what a NOTAM is. Come to Oshkosh and sit down w= ith=20 me and let's go over the Lancair accident statistics. You show me where the=20 airplane let down the pilot, versus where the pilot let down the airplane. B= e at=20 the Lancair Forum at 1730 Thursday.
 
Airplanes have been improved immensely in the last ten years or so. I h= ave=20 EFIS screens with moving map, datalink weather, a bitching betty telling me=20= when=20 I get too close to stall. Sterling Ainsworth had that and a turbine powered=20 airplane.. but he flew into convective activity because he did not pay for t= he=20 Canadian WSI subscription, iced up his pitot tube (which most likely ha= d=20 pitot heat off) and put the aircraft into a full power dive until the t= ail=20 departed.  How much safer could his airplane been designed? He purposel= y=20 flew an airplane into conditions he knew before hand were hazardous-- did it= =20 anyway and somehow this kind of accident is the airplane's fault? I call it=20 "free will."
 
Cirrus's have a ballistic parachutes yet pilots still fail to pull the=20 handle when they should. Too late, too fast, out of the envelope--fatal and=20= this=20 is the airplanes fault?
 
Of course everything could be better with future techology -- but we ai= n't=20 got it today and even if we did you can't force everyone to run out and buy=20= it.=20 There will still be someone 100 years from today flying a J-3 Cub to Oshkosh= and=20 they will still be flying the Ford trimotor there. I hope to be there.
 
Regards,
 
Jeff
 
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