Return-Path: Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.3]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-52269U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:58:41 -0400 Received: from TheWireGuy@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id kBQa010996 (4395) for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:02:28 -0400 (EDT) From: TheWireGuy@aol.com Message-ID: <0.acf9172.25434424@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:02:28 EDT Subject: Re: Wire insulation To: lancair.list@olsusa.com X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> In a message dated 10/23/99 9:36:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dfs@gateway.net writes: << As for running the wiring in a PVC conduit, probably not extremely swift, however, if you have properly protected ALL wire runs in your airplane with breakers or fuses (remember, the breakers and fuses are there ONLY to protect the wiring - not the equipment being connected) it should not be a problem. >> You are correct, of course, regarding wire protection. You should be safe under normal circumstances, assuming proper breaker sizing and all. However, there a scenario that still haunts me. On a L-IV you have heavy gage power and ground wires running back to your hydraulic pump. Visualize what happens if, due to some sort of damage to the bundle, you get a short between the pump power wire and a 22 gage wire connected to ground. You coule easily have a red-hot 22 gage wire without blowing the large hydraulic pump breaker. If that red-hot wire is inside that PVC tube, well, you get the idea. Now figure one end of the conduit is inside the pressurized cabin, and the other end is in the un-pressurized baggage compartment. Now you have a lot of air flow to fan the flames. Did you use flammable upholstry? Now imagine you ran your (plastic?) oxygen system hose along side the conduit... Such nightmare scenarios, though unlikely, warrent consideration. In my 10 years or so working on airplanes, I've seen 3 or 4 instances of just such a scenario. In each case the damage was pretty much limited to the wires themselves because the bundle was either properly supported in an open run, or, as in one case was in metal conduit. In one case an upholstry screw was driven through a bundle and shorted some small wires to a large power-carrying wire, causing a couple small ones to smoke and damage other adjacent ones. In another case, a mechanic, while changing a pump, re-connected the wires wrong and smoked a wire. Fortunately, both of these happend on the ground. Another time, long-term exposure to hydraulic fluid broke-down a bunch of wires in a bundle and caused arching and blew breakers. There was no fire in that instance, but some systems were damaged by 110v power getting into low voltage circuits. I guess I'm trying to illustrate the point that it is important to use proper materials and methods. It's impossible to visualize every potential failure scenario, but many of them have already been played out, and that's how a lot of standards were developed. Read AC 43.13 at least. There's some good information in there. Mil-5088 is another good source. Ok, ok, I'll get off my soap box now. Cheers, Jim McMillan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html