Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.gateway.net ([208.230.117.246]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-52269U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:48:31 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (1Cust46.tnt1.coeur-dalene.id.da.uu.net [63.27.107.46]) by smtp2.gateway.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA23390 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000501bf1d34$4fc3cc40$2e6b1b3f@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "dfs" From: "dfs" To: "Lancair List" Subject: Wire insulation Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 01:54:37 -0700 X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Brent is right regarding Teflon insulation being disallowed on aircraft applications - except that proscription only applies to the primary airframe wiring. It is allowed within an LRU (Line Replaceable Unit, in Air Force parlance). I found this out after much kicking and screaming at a system vendor while pointing to the Specifications for the B-1. I thought it was clear that Teflon was banned everywhere in the airplane. The spec gurus said "No, inside a box is OK". So, if you have heard that there is Teflon insulation in an airplane after all, it can only be inside an enclosed unit - not in the primary wiring. I still don't like it but, on military (AF at least) aircraft, it can be found. I also mentioned earlier that, though we originally wired the B-1 almost entirely with Kapton wire primarily because it is very thin and light for a given voltage rating, all subsequent mods require the 22759/xx tefzel. This was for safety reasons. High voltage, Kapton and moisture don't mix - in fact, it;s a deadly accident looking for a place to happen. There were several incidents on the B-1 where a ground crew was washing down the wheel wells and they experienced what can only be described as an explosion involving wire bundles when power was re-applied to the aircraft. Of course, the B-1's primary operating ac voltage is twice the normal (230/400 3-phase) but it came to light that the Navy had had some of the same problems with lower voltage aircraft. Their operating environment (salt water) was probably to blame but they banned Kapton too, if my memory serves. If the crash aircraft had Kapton wiring, it's probably suspect, but that's in the hands of the proper authorities and I won't speculate. As for running the wiring in a PVC conduit, probably not extremely swift, however, if you have properly protected ALL wire runs in your airplane with breakers or fuses (remember, the breakers and fuses are there ONLY to protect the wiring - not the equipment being connected) it should not be a problem. Still, had I to do it over, I'd use something else - a lightweight fiberglass tube, layed up on an appropriate form, would probably be best unless something commercial could be found. Sometimes you think of these things too late - that's what this forum is for - to keep those who come after from making the same mistakes. cheers, Dan Schaefer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html