X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:30:06 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.1] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 1111180 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:26:39 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.1; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id q.440.61e94d (48576) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:25:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <440.61e94d.3196656c@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:25:48 EDT Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IVP Crash X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1147472748" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1147472748 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/12/2006 4:10:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, marv@lancaironline.net writes: A a safe altitude, set up slow flight and set up an climb at initial climb speed / takeoff configuration. Reduce power and *maintaining best glide speed* make a 240 degree turn. (a 180 would only get you parallel to the runway, not back on it) Note the amount of altitude loss. My bet is that it will suprise you. Add a bit extra to allow for reaction time when you are not planning for this to happen. Be prepared to land straight ahead or with only minor deviations) if you loose an engine below this altitude when taking off. Coordinated turns at best rate! dont spin while trying to do this experiment! Nathan, If one has a constant speed prop, pull it to coarse pitch if the engine is not generating any power but is still rotating. Pitch for best glide (a dot on the AOA). Any turn should be shallow (just take a look at the AOA). Oh, if the gear is down, forget the turn or try for instant retraction (hah!). Yes, the altitude loss would surprise anyone. My takeoff climb is not at Vx or Vy. I like to ascend towards heaven at 135 KIAS and it will not take long to reach 700 feet AGL, the critical return altitude decision point where the gear and flaps have already been retracted. Otherwise, no more than 30 degrees left or right for the landing area scan. I hate taking off from airports in a densely populated area. Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk Lancair N92EX IO320 CS Prop Slow Build 1989, Flown 1996 Aurora, IL (KARR) Eschew Obfuscation! -------------------------------1147472748 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 5/12/2006 4:10:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 marv@lancaironline.net writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>A a safe=20 altitude, set up slow flight and set up an climb at initial climb
speed= /=20 takeoff configuration.  Reduce power and *maintaining best=20 glide
speed* make a 240 degree turn. (a 180 would only get you parallel= to=20 the
runway, not back on it)  Note the amount of altitude loss.&nbs= p;=20 My bet is that it
will suprise you. Add a bit extra to allow for reacti= on=20 time when you are not
planning for this to happen. Be prepared to land=20 straight ahead or with only
minor deviations) if you loose an engine be= low=20 this altitude when taking off.
  Coordinated turns at best rate! d= ont=20 spin while trying to do this
experiment!
Nathan,
 
If one has a constant speed prop, pull it to coarse pitch if the engine= is=20 not generating any power but is still rotating.  Pitch for best glide (= a=20 dot on the AOA). Any turn should be shallow (just take a look at the AOA).&n= bsp;=20 Oh, if the gear is down, forget the turn or try for instant retraction=20 (hah!).
 
Yes, the altitude loss would surprise anyone.  My takeoff cli= mb=20 is not at Vx or Vy.  I like to ascend towards heaven at 135 K= IAS=20 and it will not take long to reach 700 feet AGL, the critical return altitud= e=20 decision point where the gear and flaps have already been retracte= d.=20 Otherwise, no more than 30 degrees left or right for the landing area=20 scan.  I hate taking off from airports in a densely populated area.=20
 
Scott Krueger=20 AKA Grayhawk
Lancair N92EX IO320 CS Prop
Slow Build 1989, Flown 1996=20
Aurora, IL (KARR)

Eschew=20 Obfuscation!
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