X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 23:27:09 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta9.adelphia.net ([68.168.78.199] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.6) with ESMTP id 916979 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 18:40:56 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.168.78.199; envelope-from=dfs155@adelphia.net Received: from f3g6s4 ([70.36.5.58]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20060107234004.OZXC14388.mta9.adelphia.net@f3g6s4> for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:40:04 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <002801c613e3$afeebb00$0201a8c0@f3g6s4> From: "Dan Schaefer" X-Original-To: "Lancair list" Subject: Re: Fast-Ons et al. X-Original-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:40:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 I'm in total agreement with Brent regarding wire with PVC insulation being unsuitable for use in any airplane, however I'd like to add Teflon insulation to the proscribed list as well, for the following reasons. When Teflon was new and the only game in town, it was used extensively in aircraft wiring. Unfortunately, it had two very undesireable characteristics: one was perhaps merely anecdotal but the other was an unforseen and potentially catastrophic failure mode. The first problem is purportedly caused by the use of thermal strippers (removal of the insulation via a red-hot wire loop) where the Teflon gives off what is supposedly a toxic gas. Don't know how true this is but I do remember that back in the '60's, some production workers who did a lot of the Teflon wire stripping at a small electronics company where I once worked, began complaining of persistant flu-like symptoms. After adding simple vacuum hoods over the strippers, to suck up the smoke and other gasses, the problems disappeared. The second problem (with which I do have direct experience) is the tendency of Teflon to cold-flow over time when subjected to pressure being applied when bent around a sharp edge. This may not be as big a problem in composite structures, but in a metal airplane, or behind a panel with metal parts, this can lead to the insulation being effectively cut through resulting in a short with the ensuing mayhem that can bring. Tefzel insulation (see Brent's note to the list) is highly resistant to the cold-flow problem - the stuff is really tough - however, the gasses it gives off when hot-wire stripping may be similar in effect to Teflon (assuming there was any real problem there in the first place) - so to be safe, just don't breathe the smoke. Cheers, Dan Schaefer N235SP