X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:56:44 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com ([205.158.62.37] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with ESMTP id 834223 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:22:45 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.158.62.37; envelope-from=cfi@instructor.net Received: by ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 84D1DCDAA0; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:21:58 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Ron Galbraith" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Original-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:21:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [LML] More IFR/GPS Received: from [63.147.78.63] by ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com with http for cfi@instructor.net; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:21:57 -0700 X-Originating-Ip: 63.147.78.63 X-Originating-Server: ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com X-Original-Message-Id: <20051117182158.84D1DCDAA0@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> > You do have an option to=20 > ask ATC for a clearance that might read, =93fly heading abc until=20 > receiving the xyz VOR, then proceed direct=94.=20=20 This service is called radar vectors. If you want this service, just say "= request radar vectors direct LAX". You can get this service VFR or IFR, so = don't be afraid to ask for it.=20=20 >=20 > There were a number of references to AC20-138A as the rules for all=20 > aircraft with GNSS. I learned that Advisory Circulars are not=20 > rules, they are advice. They do not govern what you need to do to=20 > fly IFR.=20=20 This is very true in that advisory circulars are not suppose to be regula= tory in nature, but the FAA views many of them to be regulatory, and treats= them as requirements. From what I've seen with several FSDO's, AC20-138A = is not just a guide, but in fact mandatory for ALL aircraft. Just because = we fly an airplane with "experimental" stenciled on the door, we must still= comply with all the FAR's that a standard certified airplane has to while = flying in the IFR environment, and in order to legally fly an IFR GPS appro= ach, you must be in compliance with AC20-138A. (local FSDO's words)=20=20 Yes, this is all a very grey area(for experimental airplanes), and we cou= ld all debate technicalities all day, but personally I like to look at it f= rom a safety perspective. This AC was written to give guidance for install= ations of GNSS equipment, and making the installations standard, or at leas= t standard in a basic way such as required annuciators, course deviation in= dicators, flight and grounds checks, etc. We as experimental airplane buil= ders should voluntarily comply with these rules even if they aren't require= d; to make our airplanes safer anyway. I ask this question? What if you = are flying your $400,000 fully insured LNC4 on a GPS approach and you total= the airplane without killing yourself. If your airplane is not found to b= e in compliance with AC20-138A, is the insurance going to pay? Maybe, but = why even go there when it's so easy to follow the AC guidelines.=20=20 I'm really not trying to stir up a hornets nest, or dispute anything that= has been said before. The big difference here is that we are talking abou= t the IFR environment, and safety is what this is all about. As far as VFR= goes, having a Garmin GPS396 is hard to beat, and you certainly don't need= any sort of guidelines to follow.=20=20 I'm in the process of writing an article that simplifies the process to com= ply with AC20-138A (written for the certified world), and will make it avai= lable to anyone who wants it at a later date.=20=20 Ron Galbraith LNCE-N5ES