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From: "Ron Galbraith" <cfi@instructor.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Navigating in the IFR system in an experimental aircraft

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The DAR doesn't understand how the system works for him to put that in
your Ops specs.   The only requirement for experimental airplanes is that
you must state you are experimental in the terminal ATC environment, and
has nothing to do with VFR or IFR.  As far as we are concerned in the
enroute ATC environment is what type you are, and not that you are proud
that you built your own airplane and feel the need to state you are
experimental.   When you file a flight plan, VFR or IFR, file it as a
Lancair (LNCE, LNC4, LEG2, LNC2, etc), then put experimental in the
remarks section.  This is not required in the ATC system, but is just
good operating practice.  When you call me for VFR flight following, tell
me you are a Lancair LNC4 (or whatever), and not experimental.  That
means nothing to anyone in the ATC system, and is only in the ATC
requirements because way back before there were very many homebuilts, it
was imparative that a tower know you are experimental, because there
would be a good chance they would need to roll the fire trucks.  This
rule is out of date, and I've actually been working on getting it
removed.  But the FAA works at the speed of Government, so it will
probably be years before it happens.   Having said all this, I personally
don't use experimental in any of my transmissions to ATC  (or to the
airplanes)  because there is no need for it.  Let your conscience be your
guide.  I would say about half of the Lancairs I work in the ATC
environment use "experimental" in their transmissions.  If that happens,
I ask what kind of experimental are you, and from that point I use
Lancair, or RV, or whatever.  Bottom line is that "experimental" means
nothing to me as an air traffic controller, but LNC4 does.  Hey, you
might even get priority if you are a Lancair, you never know :-)  Now
Scott on the other hand.........maybe.

Ron Galbraith


    When I received my Experimental Ops Specs during my certification
    phase they
    contained language that said that I had to make note in the IFR
    flight plan
    of the experimnental nature of the aircraft before flying IFR.

  Bryan, That is interesting - Doesn't the equipment type entry, such
  as LNC2, LEG2, etc. indicate it is experimental?  These identifiers
  are unique to our planes.

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<P>The DAR doesn't understand how the system works for him to put that in y=
our Ops specs.&nbsp;&nbsp; The only requirement for experimental airplanes =
is that you must state you are experimental in the terminal ATC environment=
, and has nothing to do with VFR or IFR.&nbsp; As far as we are concerned i=
n the enroute ATC environment is what type you are, and not that you are pr=
oud that you built your own airplane and feel the need to state you are exp=
erimental.&nbsp;&nbsp; When you file a flight plan, VFR or IFR, file it as =
a Lancair (LNCE, LNC4, LEG2, LNC2, etc), then put experimental in the remar=
ks section.&nbsp; This is not required in the ATC system, but is just good =
operating practice.&nbsp; When you call me for VFR flight following, tell m=
e you are a Lancair LNC4 (or whatever), and not experimental.&nbsp; That me=
ans nothing to anyone in the ATC system, and is only in the ATC requirement=
s because way back before there were very many homebuilts, it was imparativ=
e that a tower know you are experimental, because there would be a good cha=
nce they would need to roll the fire trucks.&nbsp; This rule is out of date=
, and I've actually been working on getting it removed.&nbsp; But the FAA w=
orks at the speed of Government, so it will probably be years before it hap=
pens.&nbsp;&nbsp; Having said all this, I personally don't use experimental=
 in any of my transmissions to ATC&nbsp; (or to the airplanes)&nbsp; becaus=
e there is no need for it.&nbsp; Let your conscience be your guide.&nbsp; I=
 would say about half of the Lancairs I work in the ATC environment use "ex=
perimental" in their transmissions.&nbsp; If that happens, I ask what kind =
of experimental are you, and from that point I use Lancair, or RV, or whate=
ver.&nbsp; Bottom line is that "experimental" means nothing to me as an air=
 traffic controller, but LNC4 does.&nbsp; Hey, you might even get priority =
if you are a Lancair, you never know :-)&nbsp; Now Scott on the other hand.=
........maybe.</P>
<P>Ron Galbraith </P>
<P><BR>&nbsp;</P>
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r=3D#000000 size=3D2>When I received my Experimental Ops Specs during my ce=
rtification phase they<BR>&nbsp; contained language that said that I had to=
 make note in the IFR flight plan<BR>&nbsp; of the experimnental nature of =
the aircraft before flying IFR.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<DIV>Bryan,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>That is interesting - Doesn't the equipment type entry, such as LNC2, =
LEG2, etc. indicate it is experimental?&nbsp; These identifiers are unique =
to our planes.=20
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