X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:16:29 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com ([205.158.62.67] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with ESMTP id 829767 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:43:52 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.158.62.67; envelope-from=cfi@instructor.net Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 470D8180028B for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:43:02 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.37) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 14 Nov 2005 03:43:02 -0000 Received: by ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 20203CDA0B; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:43:02 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Ron Galbraith" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Original-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:43:01 -0700 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Navigating in the IFR system in an experimental aircraft Received: from [162.58.82.244] by ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com with http for cfi@instructor.net; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:43:01 -0700 X-Originating-Ip: 162.58.82.244 X-Originating-Server: ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com X-Original-Message-Id: <20051114034302.20203CDA0B@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Scott, You are right in the fact that you can only go direct in a radar environ= ment. There are no ways around it. If you are flying direct using anythin= g other than ground based navigation such as VOR's, and are outside navaid = limitations, etc, you must be in radar contact in order to fly direct. The= re are areas out here in CO that there is no radar coverage below about FL1= 90, so even if you are way up there (at least way up for a Lancair), you ca= nnot go direct unless you are direct to a VOR and within navaid limitations= . I say there is no way to do this, but there is one way and that is to go= OTP. In that case ATC is not required to separate you from other aircraft= and therefor you can go direct even in a non radar environment. All of t= hese rules are way out of date. Just another FYI, I'll bet there are a bun= ch of you out there flying in the IFR environment using GPS that do not hav= e the required documentation from the local FSDO. You cannot fly legally w= ithout this paperwork, and also includes a POH suplement. I give WINGS sem= inars on this subject all over the Mountain states, and can elaborate more = if there is interest.=20=20 Ron Galbraith LNCE N5ES >=20 > ..............But they concluded in their written summary that the > required navigational equipment statement in 91.205 says that you can=E2= =80=99t > use GPS for your primary navigation system because it is not > ground-based. >=20 > equipment code of > LNC2/G indicates advanced RNAV. Utilizing AIM 5.1.7.d.3(a), it's doable= in > an ATC radar environment - Aha! The required ground equipment is ATC ra= dar.