X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:10:16 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [207.254.33.66] (HELO DEWEY2.Cadwell.cadwell.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c2) with ESMTP id 729097 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:00:06 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.254.33.66; envelope-from=CarlC@Cadwell.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5BEDE.93446228" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Subject: Clarification of Epic portion built by Carl X-Original-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:59:21 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <63D0A1D8F168684F8502C4B8A229D79163D5BE@DEWEY2.Cadwell.cadwell.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Clarification of Epic portion built by Carl Thread-Index: AcW+3pND07PINvIASRKhiJlA/OHXAw== From: "Carl Cadwell" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5BEDE.93446228 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Further clarification: Rick Schrameck did not state quite right the building of my Epic kit by amateurs for the "education and recreation" There are more than 350 man days of amateur building, utilizing time as the metric. This includes my sons, friends and myself. Rick left out the friends that contributed.=20 In my case amateur builders have completed 62% of the tasks on a modified 8000-38 that reflects the Epic or 56% of the tasks utilizing the FAA's 8000-38. Yet the denial is based on "In my experience, to produce an airplane of this sophistication within 234 days would have required substantial professional assistance." My response is yes there was substantial professional assistance and it was clearly less than half. =20 Just a couple of side notes: =20 Cirrus builds a plane in 7 days! And that includes paint, upholstery, panel, propeller and engine which are specifically excluded from the 51% amateur build requirements. The Epic is no more complicated than the Lancair IVP that my sons and I built. It is bigger so one can actually get at things more easily. It has 2 more systems than my IVP has-air conditioning and deice boots. I actually learned how to put on boots working with Epic's A and P. The parts fit straight out of the mold-it is amazing what Solid Works and CNC tooling can do to generate molds that produce parts within a few thousands-parts that are so smooth and accurate that you can do the body work for the entire plane in less than 100 hours. =20 Carl Cadwell 909 North Kellogg Street Kennewick, Washington 99336 (509) 735-6481 1-800-245-3001 Fax: (509) 783-6503 carlc@cadwell.com www.cadwell.com www.quickmed.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5BEDE.93446228 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Clarification of Epic portion built by Carl

Further clarification:  Rick = Schrameck did not state quite right the building of my Epic kit by = amateurs for the “education and recreation”  There are = more than 350 man days of amateur building, utilizing time as the = metric.  This includes my sons, friends and myself.  Rick left = out the friends that contributed. 

In my case amateur builders have = completed 62% of the tasks on a modified 8000-38 that reflects the Epic = or 56% of the tasks utilizing the FAA’s 8000-38.  Yet the = denial is based on “In my experience, to produce an airplane of = this sophistication within 234 days would have required substantial = professional assistance.”  My response is yes there was = substantial professional assistance and it was clearly less than = half. 

Just a couple of side notes:  =

Cirrus builds a plane in 7 = days!  And that includes paint, upholstery, panel, propeller and = engine which are specifically excluded from the 51% amateur build = requirements.

The Epic is no more complicated = than the Lancair IVP that my sons and I built.  It is bigger so one = can actually get at things more easily.  It has 2 more systems than = my IVP has—air conditioning and deice boots.  I actually = learned how to put on boots working with Epic’s A and P.  The = parts fit straight out of the mold—it is amazing what Solid Works = and CNC tooling can do to generate molds that produce parts within a few = thousands—parts that are so smooth and accurate that you can do = the body work for the entire plane in less than 100 hours.  =

Carl = Cadwell

909 North Kellogg Street

Kennewick, Washington = 99336

(509) 735-6481

1-800-245-3001

Fax:  (509) = 783-6503

carlc@cadwell.com

www.cadwell.com

www.quickmed.com

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