X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:34:50 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [216.40.35.68] (HELO webmaillogin.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c2) with ESMTP id 728861 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:19:38 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.40.35.68; envelope-from=matt.hapgood@alumni.duke.edu Received: from [66.57.255.54] (account cch1@hapgoods.com HELO HP780N) by fr4.webmaillogin.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.8) with ESMTPA id 97557280 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:18:47 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=fr4.webmaillogin.com; client-ip=66.57.255.54; envelope-from=matt.hapgood@alumni.duke.edu From: "Matt Hapgood" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: RE: [LML] FAA new order X-Original-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:18:46 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-reply-to: X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Steve, I respectfully think that you are way off base. The FAA's issue with Epic may not impact the rest of us, but then again it might. I think it would be foolish to assume that it won't, as the risk of being wrong is too great. As for media attention and whether the plane has 4 seats or 10 seats - I don't really think that is the issue. The media gets worked up when it impacts (literally) people on the ground. Planes crash all the time, but the only ones that get significant media attention are ones that do damage to people on the ground, are near a school, or are carrying someone famous. You may feel that aircraft with 6 plus seats isn't for personal use, but first, the issue is 5+ seats and secondly, Raytheon (Barons and Bonanzas), Piper (Cherokee sixes, Malibus, etc) and Cessna (210, etc) certainly would disagree with you, as the vast majority of their intended market is not "for hire" operators. I use my little 360 for a great deal of business flying - including taking my partner to business meetings. If I had a IV or ES I could carry another employee or 2. That's still personal use, and I'll bet a bunch of Lancair, Glassair, Cozy, etc. builders are just like me. >From the perspective of the VAST (99%?) majority of EAAers a Lancair IV doesn't even come close to meeting the intent of the rules that that their vari-eze, or pietenpol, etc did. What if 15 years ago the FAA had gotten worked up and THEY had stood back and said "Hey, LIV's violate the purpose and intent of homebuilts - they aren't for education, they're too complex, and just think what the media will say when one of those 300mph, 4-seat, pressurized, turboed, glass cockpit planes crash - it will ruin it for the rest of us..." That would have been a real shame. Think of the progress that would NOT have occurred. Think of the enjoyment that many on this list would have missed. Steve, your final paragraph about common sense reflects a total lack of reality. The LIVP was a dramatically bigger stretch in performance and capability when it was introduced than the Epic does. The IVP effectively introduced pressurization and flight level flying to amateur builders, it significantly expanded the speeds achieved by homebuilts, and introduced a large number of amateur builders to a very aggressive wing that has proven to be quite a handful. On top of that, Lancair pioneered advanced fast-build kits and turbine engines. Your common sense should recognize that Lancair has pushed every corner of the envelope, and Epic has merely increased the volume, seats and power with processes, procedures and equipment pioneered by Lancair. You don't have to help Rick - no one on this list does. But personally I like progress, and I like a government agency that doesn't create different sets of rules for different people. Matt Hapgood