X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 09:30:10 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.8] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c2) with ESMTP id 713773 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 01:16:35 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.8; envelope-from=JIMRHER@aol.com Received: from JIMRHER@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id q.12c.6599b27f (57293) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 01:15:45 -0400 (EDT) From: JIMRHER@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <12c.6599b27f.304fd181@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 01:15:45 EDT Subject: [LML] Piston Stamps CSB04-6 X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1126070145" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5016 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1126070145 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will try to respond to the questions below. Remember I'm not an expert on this and most of my info is in the rumor category. Hopefully, one of the engine guys here will clarify things. Jim Hergert N6XE (An Sexy) Jim, maybe I missed something. Has cause been found on the lifter problem? Is there a known serial number range that has the problem? thanks, Colyn This lifter problem has not been that consistent and has shown up randomly. I first heard about it a couple of years ago in the Duke Lycoming engines. My understanding is that Eaton Corp. and very large supplier of Cam/Lifters to both Lyc. and TCM as well as many automotive engines, along with other parts. So Eaton is the source of the parts. I have heard that after they changed form having them built in Brazil to the Chek Republic that they started having some lifters disintegrate. Looks like shattering from being brittle/too hard. I suspect that Eaton pays for some of the warrantee claims. But no one is talking. Jim Could someone tell me if us IO550 owners should be concerned about our pistons if we're not turbocharged? (Refering to the stamped pistons). Don Grabiel ES N722B I think most of the piston problems have been in the turbocharged engines but the first SB was for the stamps on the top edge of the pistons and they could cause a problem. All 550's have the longer stroke and have different pistons with the thinner tops. If you do the Topcare inspections than it can be watched with the borescope. Jim Jim, Be sure to give us an update on the lifter disintegration problem. Of the five other engines you mention, is problem only with the TSIO-550E???? Art Jensen I know of a Baron engine that had the same problem IO 550 and some Duke Lyc. They turn at a higher RPM and that must be hard on Lifters. Other folks may know more than me on this? Jim Jim, The CSB specifically states to return all affected piston stock to TCM for replacement. Again, the date of this CSB is July 2004. Looks like we are not the only ones caught off guard. Ed Rosiak That was when they were talking about the Top of the piston. Then they started stamping them on the bottom wrist pin boss. Now those are not good and if found should or must be replaced according to TCM. Not an AD though. Jim Hergert N6XE (An Sexy) -------------------------------1126070145 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I will try to respond to the questions below. Remember I'm not an exper= t on=20 this and most of my info is in the rumor category. Hopefully, one of the eng= ine=20 guys here will clarify things.=20
 
Jim Hergert
N6XE (An Sexy)
 
Jim,
    maybe I missed something.   Has cause been= =20 found on the lifter problem?   Is there a known serial number rang= e=20 that has the problem?
 
thanks,
 
Colyn
This lifter problem has not been that consistent and has shown up rando= mly.=20 I first heard about it a couple of years ago in the Duke Lycoming=20 engines. My understanding is that Eaton Corp. and very large supplier o= f=20 Cam/Lifters to both Lyc. and TCM as well as many automotive engines, al= ong=20 with other parts. So Eaton is the source of the parts. I have heard that aft= er=20 they changed form having them built in Brazil to the Chek Republic that they= =20 started having some lifters disintegrate. Looks like shattering from being=20 brittle/too hard. I suspect that Eaton pays for some of the warrantee claims= .=20 But no one is talking.
Jim
 
Could someone tell me if us IO550 owners sh= ould be=20 concerned about our pistons if we're not turbocharged? (Refering to the stam= ped=20 pistons). 
 
Don Grabiel ES N722B
 
I think most of the piston problems have been in the turbocharged engin= es=20 but the first SB was for the stamps on the top edge of the pistons and they=20 could cause a problem. All 550's have the longer stroke and have different=20 pistons with the thinner tops. If you do the Topcare inspections than it can= be=20 watched with the borescope.
Jim
 
Jim,
 
 Be sure to give us an upda= te on=20 the lifter
 disintegration problem. Of the five other engines=20 you
 mention, is problem only with the=20 TSIO-550E????
 
 Art Jensen

I know of a Baron engi= ne=20 that had the same problem IO 550 and some Duke Lyc. They turn at a higher RP= M=20 and that must be hard on Lifters. Other folks may know more than me on=20 this?
Jim
 
 Jim,
 
 The CSB specifically= =20 states to return all affected piston stock to TCM for
replacement. Again,= the=20 date of this CSB is July 2004. Looks like we are not
the only ones caught= off=20 guard.
 
 Ed Rosiak

That was when they were talkin= g=20 about the Top of the piston. Then they started stamping them on the bottom w= rist=20 pin boss. Now those are not good and if found should or must be replace= d=20 according to TCM. Not an AD though.
 
Jim Hergert
N6XE (An=20 Sexy)
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