X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:24:01 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.66] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c1) with ESMTP id 672967 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:46:37 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.66; envelope-from=petervana@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=OFn5pxWttyXt09ehkiza81Rgj7YEW9xXpIzD+1Yd180Jgcqsb6VfFLr2dMZGcJ9A; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.3.114.245] (helo=Peter) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1E5ZTd-0003mF-5u for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:45:53 -0400 From: "Peter Van Arsdale" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Torqued to death X-Original-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:45:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C5A375.06844500" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWjamXRg9vL3TLsSCqItbH6+WMWYgAJnD/g In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 01ccb85ccd9a2f2514f7f38be4e43d6c7e972de0d01da9402338eada5db952b18ed60756322c5f0f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.3.114.245 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C5A375.06844500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think Hamid's response to Dave's comment on thunderstorms was extreme and not based upon reality. There are a lot of flying experiences that we like to think we should be able to avoid, but for numerous reasons, mistakes, carelessness, bad luck, etc. don't manage to do. Stalls, spins, no flap landings and flying in thunderstorms are just a few that come to mind. I don't believe Lancairs are any more susceptible to breakup in a thunderstorm than other light aircraft and I think it's important to know that, though with lightning things are different. However, like every aspect of flying Lancairs, one has to know what he or she is doing. It is important to avoid T-storms, but as we learn almost daily on this list, things often don't go as planned, and those who know what they are getting into and what the plane is capable of, will more often get out of it. In my opinion, there are people flying these planes that are in way over thier heads. I think as the Very Light Jets come to the market, and the cost of entry depends on one's checkbook and not thier ability, we'll see a rash of accidents, some which mimic ones we read of here. Peter Van Arsdale Naples, FL (239) 253-8246 _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of YoSamuel@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:30 PM To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: [LML] Re: Torqued to death Hamid Thunderstorms vary greatly. Certainly the chance of surviving a severe storm is nil. Do you recommend not doing anything positive if you inadvertently fly into a storm? Listen to what I'm saying. If you get into one of these things you must fly the airplane. You must be ready to keep the airplane somewhat level to hell with the altitude. You can tear off the wings by going way too fast and we know what these things do when they stall. So you have to be ready for power changes. Not the right time to worry about shocking the engine. I spent most of my airline career flying the Southeast and the Midwest. We avoided thunderstorms like the plague. At the beginning of my career, airborne weather radar was not very good. We'd get into some pretty bad stuff every once in a while but survived. Sure, the storm that hits the P-3 with grapefruit sized hail is the storm our little planes wouldn't survive. Do what you want with the information and experience I've related but please spare me the irresponsible, ignorance and asinine statements. Dave ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C5A375.06844500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think = Hamid's response=20 to Dave's comment on thunderstorms was extreme and not based upon=20 reality.  There are a lot of flying experiences that we = like to=20 think we should be able to avoid, but for = numerous reasons,=20 mistakes, carelessness, bad luck, etc. don't manage to do.  Stalls, = spins,=20 no flap landings and flying in thunderstorms are just a few = that come=20 to mind.
 
I don't = believe Lancairs=20 are any more susceptible to breakup in a thunderstorm than other light = aircraft=20 and I think it's important to know that, though with lightning things = are=20 different.  However, like every aspect of flying=20 Lancairs, one has to know what he or she is doing.  It is = important to avoid T-storms, but as we learn almost daily on this list, = things=20 often don't go as planned, and those who know what they are getting into = and=20 what the plane is capable of, will more often get out of it.  In my = opinion, there are people flying these planes that are in way over thier = heads.
 
I think as = the Very Light=20 Jets come to the market, and the cost of entry depends on one's = checkbook and=20 not thier ability, we'll see a rash of accidents, some which mimic ones = we read=20 of here.
 
Peter Van Arsdale
Naples, FL
(239) 253-8246
 

From: Lancair Mailing List=20 [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 YoSamuel@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:30=20 PM
To: Lancair Mailing List
Subject: [LML] Re: = Torqued to=20 death

Hamid
 
Thunderstorms vary greatly. Certainly the chance of surviving a = severe=20 storm is nil. Do you recommend not doing anything positive if you=20 inadvertently fly into a storm? Listen to what I'm saying. If you get = into one=20 of these things you must fly the airplane. You must be ready to keep = the=20 airplane somewhat level to hell with the altitude. You can tear off = the wings=20 by going way too fast and we know what these things do when they = stall. So you=20 have to be ready for power changes. Not the right time to worry about = shocking=20 the engine. I spent most of my airline career flying the Southeast and = the=20 Midwest. We avoided thunderstorms like the plague. At the beginning of = my=20 career, airborne weather radar was not very good. We'd get into some = pretty=20 bad stuff every once in a while but survived. Sure, the storm that = hits the=20 P-3 with grapefruit sized hail is the storm our little planes wouldn't = survive. Do what you want with the information and experience I've = related but=20 please spare me the irresponsible, ignorance and asinine = statements.
 
Dave
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