Return-Path: Received: from mail1.teleport.com ([192.108.254.26]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-52269U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:02:10 -0400 Received: (qmail 1152 invoked from network); 22 Jul 1999 23:05:27 -0000 Received: from i48-36-11.pdx.du.teleport.com (HELO fat-albert) (216.26.61.139) by mail1.teleport.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 23:05:27 -0000 Message-ID: <001a01bed495$70adb340$2a00a8c0@fat-albert> From: "Pat Weston" To: Subject: Re: Master relay Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:55:33 -0700 X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> All, A little clarification around the heat being generated by turning the relay on and off may be needed, so here it is. As mentioned earlier, there are two sources of heat (dissipated power) in a relay, at least the types we're talking about here. The coil and the contacts. All of the heat comes from the power being dissipated which is the square of the current through the coil or the contacts multiplied by the resistance of either the coil or the contacts respectively. There is no increased power generated from the coil or the contacts due to frequently energizing and de-energizing the relay. The heat from the contacts is produced only when the contacts are closed, a load is applied and a current is flowing, thus if a relay is turned off, there is no heat from the contacts. The power dissipated during the transition from off to on and vice-versa is less than when the relay is on in the stable state. Relays are actuated by an electromagnet (coil) which is primarily inductive with a resistive component, these are in series. There is also a capacitive element which is small enough to be ignored for purposes of this discussion. When a voltage is applied across the coil, the current rises exponentially and settles to a value determined by the voltage divided by the resistance of the coil. When the voltage is removed (and assuming there is a snubbing diode across the coil the current diminishes in a similar manner to zero. At no time is the current more than that in the steady state, thus the power (current squared times coil resistance) greater than when the set up is in the steady state. Thus a relay being turned on and off dissipates less power than one in a permanently on state. So why are there two different types of relays? Intermittent relays are designed to switch high currents for short durations, such as starters. So the idea here is to close the contacts with a high speed to minimize contact bounce (short contact life due to arcing) and high force to reduce contact resistance (lower heat as described above). In order to achieve this as much magnetic force as feasible is generated. The electrical force is a proportional to the product of the current through the coil and the number of times the wire forming the coil is wrapped around the core (turns). So get the current high (thick wire and small resistance) and many turns. The result is a higher power in the coil as the current is high (the squared part of the formula for power) thus the coil is gets pretty hot, but this is OK as one doesn't ordinarily crank an engine for 20 minutes continuously. Even if you did the battery would die and automatically save the relay. The always on (master) relay on the other hand doesn't require the same degree of electromotive force and can have much less current through the coil and hence much, much (the squared part) less heat. One should turn off as much of the load as possible before actuating the master relay as the contacts are not as robust and these relays don't last long when switching high loads. But once closed, the contacts can carry the specified current. Hope this clears that all up. The bottom line is... "Don't wire the right relay into the wrong application." Pat Weston "Only three short years to go!" http://www.teleport.com/~peweston >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML homepage: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html