Return-Path: Received: from marvkaye.olsusa.com ([205.245.9.90]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-52269U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 02:53:05 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990716025647.038049b0@olsusa.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 02:56:47 -0400 To: lancair.list@olsusa.com From: Marvin Kaye Subject: Back to Bonding X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Posted for Guy Buchanan : >I liked that a bunch but then I started thinking about how I could squeeze >more juice out until the layers were just barely wet to get a lighter >result. Your statement caught my attention. It is possible to squeeze out too much resin. All cloth, (even unidirectional,) has a material bulk packing factor. That is, there is a finite thickness to the cloth, and a finite fiber volume. This is true regardless of the pressure applied during de-bulk and cure. (Obviously the thickness and fiber volume will vary substantially, depending on the weave and cure pressure.) The thickest cure occurs during contact lamination, wherein no cure pressure is used. The cured ply occupies approximately the same volume as if you threw it down dry on the table. If you add pressure during cure you can reduce the thickness and increase the fiber volume somewhat. If you roll a contact laminate hard during de-bulk, you run the risk of removing excess resin. What happens is that you locally reduce the bulk packing factor, rolling the resin ahead. Behind, the cloth re-inflates to the same bulk packing factor as when it came of the roll. This sucks a bunch of air into the laminate resulting in a very porous, weak, and soft laminate. You should be trying to achieve an exact fiber / resin ratio, no more or no less. For your 7781/vinylester combination you would use 55.5% fiber and 44.5% resin by volume, or 72% fiber and 28% resin by weight. This gives a ply thickness of .0085". More resin weakens the laminate, but not nearly as much as too little resin. (Data from HANDBOOK OF COMPOSITES, by Lubin.) Guy Buchanan BUCHANAN & NEWCOMER [Guy... please shut off the HTML and remember the subject requirement. "Re: lancair.list V1 #49" doesn't tell us about which post you're replying to. Thanks. ] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML homepage: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html