Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.1) with ESMTP id 1000470 for rob@logan.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:40:40 -0500 Received: from out003pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.103]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:58:17 -0500 Received: from GCasey (calnet31-66.gtecablemodem.com [207.175.254.66]) by out003pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id g02CxFa09563 Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:59:15 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com From: "Gary Casey" To: Subject: BMEP again Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:57:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020102053433.AAA20677@pop3.olsusa.com> X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>And for the sake of clarity, I am sure you understand that the concept of increasing net torque by reducing negative pre-TDC torque by delaying ignition, resulting in lowered peak pressure, made possible by highly-homogeneous charge characteristics and fast-burn chamber technology is neither new nor revolutionary. While closing the control loop on combustion pressure by means of difficult-and-EXPENSIVE-to-certify computer magic is certainly an interesting way to proceed, others have chosen to achieve those goals by simpler (certifiable) means.<< I feel the need to jump back in just for the fun of it and I apologize in advance for prolonging the agony of this thread. I include the above post just to remind us of the subject. Yes, just as Jack said, BMEP IS a useful number that allows us to compare engines that might have different displacements - just as specific power, rated rpm and a host of other "contrived numbers" are useful. Actually none of these numbers are contrived because they are all calculated from actual measured parameters and, therefore are "actual," not "contrived." How can one engine produce the same power with a lower peak pressure? FMEP reduction, while desirable, is difficult to accomplish and has only a small effect. So the only way to make a big difference is to change the shape of the cylinder pressure curve. The easiest way is to retard the ignition timing, which reduces the pressure before TDC and puts the peak cylinder pressure at a point where the piston is already on its way "down." Unfortunately, the theoretical thermal efficiency of the Otto cycle is inherently linked to the peak pressure since it assume constant-volume combustion. Therefore, just reducing the peak pressure will reduce the thermal efficiency. Then we have a real conundrum (I tried to use "epistemological" since I went to the trouble to look it up, but couldn't come up with the right circumstance) as we dearly want to both increase efficiency (specific fuel consumption - oops, another "contrived" number) AND reduce peak pressure. But why reduce peak pressure? We have to look at what causes wear or breakage of engines. High peak pressure causes high contact pressure between the top ring and cylinder, wearing out both before their time. It also increases the stress on the cylinder itself and the piston, increasing the risk of breakage. It also increases thermal stress by increasing the heat rejection rate to the piston and cylinder head. The only real way to get more efficiency with lower pressure is to increase the rate of combustion, allowing the spark to be retarded while still keeping the peak pressure in the same place. I submit that changing the combustion chamber shape and charge turbulence is difficult without changing the design of the engine itself. As I understand it (you have to kind of read between the line of the hyperbole to find it) the purpose of the "Prism" system is to keep the peak cylinder pressure at the same crank angle regardless of operating condition - certainly a worthy goal. Unfortunately, our aircraft engines don't run over that wide a range of conditions, so I don't think the peak combustion pressure angle moves around a lot anyway. Unless you try to run very lean or run a naturally-aspirated engine at very high altitude. And even then if you have no control over the mixture or mixture distribution. Most fuel injected engines have relatively good control over mixture and an electronically controlled engine has control over the mixture and ignition timing. And running "very" lean is not very useful because the power drops off rapidly when leaner than LBT (Lean Best Torque - oops, another "contrived" actual number) and we usually want more power, not less. Gary Casey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://members.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please remember that purchases from the Builders' Bookstore assist with the management of the LML. 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