Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:07:35 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com ([205.188.144.207] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c2) with ESMTP id 791271 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:23:50 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.144.207; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id q.155.4c5fa5ac (16633) for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:23:00 -0500 (EST) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <155.4c5fa5ac.2f65b4d4@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:23:00 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Electronic Ignition X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1110727380" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5000 -------------------------------1110727380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/13/2005 8:38:30 A.M. Central Standard Time, glcasey@adelphia.net writes: <> I would certainly like to see real data on this, for both single electronic and dual electronic systems. How much BSFC improvement is there to be had by advancing only one of the sparks? Both of the sparks? I'm thinking of manifold pressures of 20 inches or lower. Has anyone done a real dyno test to get this data? How about a timing sweep under these conditions? Gary, Let's see, saving .66 gph for the same performance over 300 hours would use 200 gallons less fuel and, @ $3/gal that is a savings of merely $600. Of course, if you used the gph savings to extend range you may save yourself a stop. Gee, if you boost the fuel burn back to the previous level you will have increased the power - there is never too much power for a low-drag Lancair. Take a look at the way Unison presented its' data for a fixed pitch prop on a carbureted C172 (I think). _http://www.unisonindustries.com/news/service_documents.html_ (http://www.unisonindustries.com/news/service_documents.html) Click on "LASAR Experience" AVWEB wrote an article on LASAR and Part one has install info: _http://www.avweb.com/news/reviews/182489-1.html_ (http://www.avweb.com/news/reviews/182489-1.html) Part two has performance info: _http://www.avweb.com/news/reviews/182490-1.html_ (http://www.avweb.com/news/reviews/182490-1.html) Remember that this may be the worse performing electronic system, but with a comfortable backup - mags. ================== Advancing one spark may be better than none, but the flame fronts start at different times - It is best to fire both plugs at the same time. But, some people settle for 1/2 a system as it makes them comfortable with the apparent risk/reward. No Dyno test is a replacement for a flight test. Best is two planes side by side in a race. What's a timing sweep? Unison and E-Mag keep their timing secret, Lightspeed has an optional display so you can monitor the timing (change it if you dare, too). Other places to read: _http://www.lightspeedengineering.com/_ (http://www.lightspeedengineering.com/) (http://www.lightspeedengineering.com/) _http://www.emagair.com/_ (http://www.emagair.com/) _http://www.unisonindustries.com/products/lasar_installation/lasar_inst_menu.h tml_ (http://www.unisonindustries.com/products/lasar_installation/lasar_inst_menu.html) _http://www.fadec.com/products.html_ (http://www.fadec.com/products.html) _http://www.gami.com/frames.htm_ (http://www.gami.com/frames.htm) Maybe a Google search would locate some more data for you. Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96 Aurora, IL (KARR) Fair and Balanced Opinions at No Charge! Metaphysical Monologues used at your own Risk. -------------------------------1110727380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 3/13/2005 8:38:30 A.M. Central Standard Time,=20 glcasey@adelphia.net writes:

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I would certainly like to see real data o= n=20 this, for both single electronic
and dual electronic systems. How= =20 much BSFC improvement is there to be had
by advancing only one of the=20 sparks? Both of the sparks? I'm thinking of
manifold pressu= res=20 of 20 inches or lower. Has anyone done a real dyno test
to get th= is=20 data? How about a timing sweep under these=20 conditions?

Gary,

Let's see, saving .66 gph for the same performance over 300=20 hours would use 200 gallons less fuel and, @ $3/gal that is a= =20 savings of merely $600. Of course, if you used the gph savings to exte= nd=20 range you may save yourself a stop. Gee, if you boost the fuel burn ba= ck=20 to the previous level you will have increased the power - there is never too= =20 much power for a low-drag Lancair.

Take a look at the way Unison presented its' data for a fixed pitc= h=20 prop on a carbureted C172 (I think).

http://= www.unisonindustries.com/news/service_documents.html

Click on "LASAR Experience"

AVWEB wrote an article on LASAR and Part one has install info:

http://www.avweb.co= m/news/reviews/182489-1.html

Part two has performance info:

http://www.avweb.co= m/news/reviews/182490-1.html

Remember that this may be the worse performing electronic system, but w= ith=20 a comfortable backup - mags.

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Advancing one spark may be better than none, but the flame fronts start= at=20 different times - It is best to fire both plugs at the same time. But,= =20 some people settle for 1/2 a system as it makes them comfortable with the=20 apparent risk/reward.

No Dyno test is a replacement for a flight test. Best is two plan= es=20 side by side in a race.

What's a timing sweep? Unison and E-Mag keep their timing secret,= =20 Lightspeed has an optional display so you can monitor the timing (change it=20= if=20 you dare, too).